So i finally read the rest of the post and the defcon idea is great i think having to come here to ask to go to war wastes a ton of time and opportunities. even though i have never ruled tuscany lol
By the Ballot: An Elective Succession Game
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Really? Have you run before? You should totally join the...Vidmizz!!! We need a political party name!
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Anyway, if you just sign here, I sure we can remedy that.
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Anyway, if you just sign here, I sure we can remedy that.
In the other one when we were hedjaz i ruled once but never on here and don't wanna.
Sorry im a protestant i will not join you and your evil ways Tabanese
Sorry im a protestant i will not join you and your evil ways Tabanese
I shall begin soon.
I will make a report about any pre-turn foreign actions I wish to take and I shall assess the situation against Milan.
I will make a report about any pre-turn foreign actions I wish to take and I shall assess the situation against Milan.
Well, no problem so.
If you don't want to rule in Tuscany, I'm sure you'll get a chance to rule in hell, you protestant scum.
(Go watch the Helsing abridged (by teamfourstar) and listen to how the Irish Priest talks. That is how I wish that statement to sound. ^_^ )
I'll leave this here for our next ruler: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bgobxuiw0lomcx0/AABV8Y9dwH0rl_O4Q07tok9Ja?dl=0
Opening Moves
I started the turn guaranteeing the minors
Here is Tuscany's alliance situation:
The Granadan Revolution has continued for over thirty yearshmy:
Bure and some other province converted, which got our monthly expenditures down to a reasonable level (from 9 to 3).
Milan is allied with Burgundy, Hungary, and protected by the Brandenburg emperor. Naples, however, is not part of the empire.
I built up the Italian army to 32k and will continue to try to build up to the forcelimit, which is about 55. I ask you, my fellow princes, should we take the fateful step? Should we unite Italy under the Tuscan sun?
I started the turn guaranteeing the minors
Here is Tuscany's alliance situation:
The Granadan Revolution has continued for over thirty years
hmy:
Bure and some other province converted, which got our monthly expenditures down to a reasonable level (from 9 to 3).
Milan is allied with Burgundy, Hungary, and protected by the Brandenburg emperor. Naples, however, is not part of the empire.
I built up the Italian army to 32k and will continue to try to build up to the forcelimit, which is about 55. I ask you, my fellow princes, should we take the fateful step? Should we unite Italy under the Tuscan sun?
From the deep mysts of time I shall return. If I muck up the rules let me know. I currently am out of practice on EU3 and will not stand for election but will instead take the role of the leaders of a political party who wish to drive Italy forward technologically and care little for who they step on. I expect to make friends and enemies in a fluid manner as advancements move money from one place to another.
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Bretherin, we have a problem. Too many men hail from long lived families with deep investments in the status quo. We have men who line the pockets of their friends and families and ignore the remaining world. To truly create a better place for men then it is down to the Italians to lead, look to our glorious history, defeat of Carthage, Greece and Egypt. Tuscany holds Rome and the weakened but still beating heart of Italy, we once ruled from Spain to the Nile and we did that through unity. Rome should be reborn and we should lead from the front. How was Rome so successful, they could support more men per farm than anyone else, sheer efficiency allowed our ancestors to rule and that is what we should do.
I put it to you that to lead countries we must first advance beyond them, technology will rule the day. A unified Italy provides a much larger breadbasket for our nation and this is a necessity for further expansion. We should take the South first, too long have Naples defied us, Sicily are exiled from the island we control, both aberrations need to be dealt with.
WAR: Naples and/or Sicily.
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Bretherin, we have a problem. Too many men hail from long lived families with deep investments in the status quo. We have men who line the pockets of their friends and families and ignore the remaining world. To truly create a better place for men then it is down to the Italians to lead, look to our glorious history, defeat of Carthage, Greece and Egypt. Tuscany holds Rome and the weakened but still beating heart of Italy, we once ruled from Spain to the Nile and we did that through unity. Rome should be reborn and we should lead from the front. How was Rome so successful, they could support more men per farm than anyone else, sheer efficiency allowed our ancestors to rule and that is what we should do.
I put it to you that to lead countries we must first advance beyond them, technology will rule the day. A unified Italy provides a much larger breadbasket for our nation and this is a necessity for further expansion. We should take the South first, too long have Naples defied us, Sicily are exiled from the island we control, both aberrations need to be dealt with.
WAR: Naples and/or Sicily.
The election results are in. The law to amend the constitution went as follows:
Nay was voted for by nobody.
Yay1 was voted for by nobody.
Yay2 was voted for by Tabanese, vidmizz and thawitchking.
Yay3 was voted for by Andre Massena.
The winner therefore is Yay2. This option creates the following constitutional amendment:
The country can be in either on of two DEFCON states, DEFCON 1 and DEFCON 0.
DEFCON 1 is a state where we are in defensive conditions and therefore declarations of war are forbidden.
DEFCON 0 is a state where we are not in defensive conditions and therefore war may be pursued.
To change the state requires a vote of approval by the signora.
Tuscany is currently at DEFCON 0. As an informal custom, I propose we consider the defensive condition of Tuscany during the regular election-slider cycle but this is not a hard and fast rule; a major upset to Tuscany's power or sudden recovery from a negative state may make it prudent for a member of signora, most likely the ruling Prince to request a state change. They are not forbidden from calling such a vote.
Nay was voted for by nobody.
Yay1 was voted for by nobody.
Yay2 was voted for by Tabanese, vidmizz and thawitchking.
Yay3 was voted for by Andre Massena.
The winner therefore is Yay2. This option creates the following constitutional amendment:
The country can be in either on of two DEFCON states, DEFCON 1 and DEFCON 0.
DEFCON 1 is a state where we are in defensive conditions and therefore declarations of war are forbidden.
DEFCON 0 is a state where we are not in defensive conditions and therefore war may be pursued.
To change the state requires a vote of approval by the signora.
Tuscany is currently at DEFCON 0. As an informal custom, I propose we consider the defensive condition of Tuscany during the regular election-slider cycle but this is not a hard and fast rule; a major upset to Tuscany's power or sudden recovery from a negative state may make it prudent for a member of signora, most likely the ruling Prince to request a state change. They are not forbidden from calling such a vote.
YAY! Dauth is back. ^_^
You can call for war but we needn't vote. The current Defensive Conditions permit it if the Prince is willing.
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Andre, do you plan to execute the war before obtaining a casus belli, as the picture suggests?
If so, what are your war goals?
War Strategy
Naples First/The Southern Strategy
I plan to start the war sometime in 1577 after our coffers refill. I will probably recruit another 7 infantry regiments and then attack once those are finished. We should also be at mil tech 23 soon where we can upgrade to Charge infantry, so I will wait till then.
I will attack without a CB unless we get one before 1577. Our stability is at +3, so the minus 2 won't hurt much.
I will unally Sicily so that Naples cannot escape south and into Sicily proper in case Venice gives their side naval superiority. The first point of attack will be Naples. Hopefully their army will be crushed quickly, and I will leave some forces behind to siege their provinces. I will then rush the army up north to knock out Milan.
War goals are taking as many provinces as possible.
Naples First/The Southern Strategy
I plan to start the war sometime in 1577 after our coffers refill. I will probably recruit another 7 infantry regiments and then attack once those are finished. We should also be at mil tech 23 soon where we can upgrade to Charge infantry, so I will wait till then.
I will attack without a CB unless we get one before 1577. Our stability is at +3, so the minus 2 won't hurt much.
I will unally Sicily so that Naples cannot escape south and into Sicily proper in case Venice gives their side naval superiority. The first point of attack will be Naples. Hopefully their army will be crushed quickly, and I will leave some forces behind to siege their provinces. I will then rush the army up north to knock out Milan.
War goals are taking as many provinces as possible.
I Agree with Dauth. Look South before North. A core on Lombardia isn't coming anytime soon.
Thought Sicily should be peacefully annexed in possible.
Thought Sicily should be peacefully annexed in possible.
First War of Italian Unification: War Report I
Luckily, we get our CB on Naples
On August 2, the First War of Italian Unification begins.
We are facing a coalition of Naples, Oldenburg, Milan, Venice, Baden, and Ferrara. A bold move but foolish move by Ferrara, who I am pinning for annexation. Venice is fortunate her large navy shields her.
Naples' puny army is quickly demolished as per the Naples First strategy. I rush the army northward to deal with the Milanese threat. Venice sporadically blockades our coast and evicts our merchants from Venice.
Genoa wisely stays out of the war. I was hoping they would repeat Ferrara's mistake so we could seize their COT. Oh well.
I force march our army to rescue our beleaguered Mantuan allies. Unfortunately, a large combined Venetian and Milanese army approaches from the north. I quickly retreat back to Florence and regroup. Tuscan citizens band together to join the army, swelling the ranks to over 52,000. But we are still outnumbered. Will it be enough? I gamble and send the army against the southernmost force, hoping we can do enough damage before the second army joins the battle. The fate of Tuscany depends on the outcome.
But a curious thing happens. Rather than make a stand, both armies retreat. We pursue the southern army into Parma. A victory here likely decides the war. The citizens of Tuscany brace for one of the most important battles in the country's history.
The reason for the enemy retreat becomes clear: they are completely outmatched by the Tuscan military. The entire Milanese-Venetian army is obliterated in a bloody day of fighting. The bizarre decision by the Milanese king to stay in Ferrara certainly helped the Tuscan cause, but it should not take away from the scope of the victory. Boncampagni had delivered the most decisive victory in Tuscan history. Poor General Andre Batilla is never able to live down the defeat and dies a peniless drunk.
After a few months of regrouping and recuperation, I send the army to destroy the last enemy army in Romagna. Though the battle is not quite as decisive as Parma, the results are largely the same. The enemy is finally destroyed in Ferrara.
The Tuscan army has emerged triumphant after its proudest moment in its history. However, all is not rosy. The huge recruitment drive, large battles, and constant march through mountainous provinces has has completely exhausted nation's manpower, as we are down to 7k reserve. My solution to this is to focus on Ferrara and Milan for now and leave Naples for later. Once Ferrara is annexed and we take provinces off Milan in a separate peace, we can siege Naples, who is the war leader.
I was really worried when I saw how big the two armies were but I decided to chance a decisive battle since I did not think we could win a long defensive campaign, especially since our low supply limits were sucking up manpower.
Luckily, we get our CB on Naples
On August 2, the First War of Italian Unification begins.
We are facing a coalition of Naples, Oldenburg, Milan, Venice, Baden, and Ferrara. A bold move but foolish move by Ferrara, who I am pinning for annexation. Venice is fortunate her large navy shields her.
Naples' puny army is quickly demolished as per the Naples First strategy. I rush the army northward to deal with the Milanese threat. Venice sporadically blockades our coast and evicts our merchants from Venice.
Genoa wisely stays out of the war. I was hoping they would repeat Ferrara's mistake so we could seize their COT. Oh well.
I force march our army to rescue our beleaguered Mantuan allies. Unfortunately, a large combined Venetian and Milanese army approaches from the north. I quickly retreat back to Florence and regroup. Tuscan citizens band together to join the army, swelling the ranks to over 52,000. But we are still outnumbered. Will it be enough? I gamble and send the army against the southernmost force, hoping we can do enough damage before the second army joins the battle. The fate of Tuscany depends on the outcome.
But a curious thing happens. Rather than make a stand, both armies retreat. We pursue the southern army into Parma. A victory here likely decides the war. The citizens of Tuscany brace for one of the most important battles in the country's history.
The reason for the enemy retreat becomes clear: they are completely outmatched by the Tuscan military. The entire Milanese-Venetian army is obliterated in a bloody day of fighting. The bizarre decision by the Milanese king to stay in Ferrara certainly helped the Tuscan cause, but it should not take away from the scope of the victory. Boncampagni had delivered the most decisive victory in Tuscan history. Poor General Andre Batilla is never able to live down the defeat and dies a peniless drunk.
After a few months of regrouping and recuperation, I send the army to destroy the last enemy army in Romagna. Though the battle is not quite as decisive as Parma, the results are largely the same. The enemy is finally destroyed in Ferrara.
The Tuscan army has emerged triumphant after its proudest moment in its history. However, all is not rosy. The huge recruitment drive, large battles, and constant march through mountainous provinces has has completely exhausted nation's manpower, as we are down to 7k reserve. My solution to this is to focus on Ferrara and Milan for now and leave Naples for later. Once Ferrara is annexed and we take provinces off Milan in a separate peace, we can siege Naples, who is the war leader.
I was really worried when I saw how big the two armies were but I decided to chance a decisive battle since I did not think we could win a long defensive campaign, especially since our low supply limits were sucking up manpower.
Not managed to devise a name for the political party yet, will have to muse on it a while.
Also since the thread is 2 days quiet I'm going to start stirring the pot a bit.
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We're glad to see this military progress and we look forward to seeing territory integrated soon. Be it taken from the individual opponents or in a peace with the war leaders. Milan should be punished for defying us, we wish to see them cede their vassals to us or at least relinquish their control.
In the Signora does no one court our attention? Our Italy first views should be intriguing for many of you but all we hear is silence. Is the Signora without power? Are you all merely puppets for whichever master is elected? Are we the only group dismayed to see the Spanish ruling Italy in Nice? Our forefathers conquered the land of the rabbits why are we now subject to them?
Also since the thread is 2 days quiet I'm going to start stirring the pot a bit.
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We're glad to see this military progress and we look forward to seeing territory integrated soon. Be it taken from the individual opponents or in a peace with the war leaders. Milan should be punished for defying us, we wish to see them cede their vassals to us or at least relinquish their control.
In the Signora does no one court our attention? Our Italy first views should be intriguing for many of you but all we hear is silence. Is the Signora without power? Are you all merely puppets for whichever master is elected? Are we the only group dismayed to see the Spanish ruling Italy in Nice? Our forefathers conquered the land of the rabbits why are we now subject to them?
First we must conquer Genoa, my friend! Sadly, they did not oblige us this war.
I will finish the turn soon, hopefully.
War Report II
The next few years of the war involved sieging, indecisive naval skirmishes, and fruitless attacks by freshly raised Milanese and Neopolitan conscripts in besieged provinces.
With Lombardia's fall Milan was officially defeated. Mantua somehow managed to sneakily become siege leader in two provinces but we can come out of the northern conflict with three provinces and a bonus.
I give you two options for the peace treaty with Milan. Option A:
and Option B:
Basically the only difference between the two is whether Milan will release Byzantium (Morea) or release Baden from vassalization. I am a fan of the Byzantium option because I am an ERE fan but you could argue that losing Baden would hurt them more.
Naples will officially be destroyed after their last province is sieged and I will propose a peace deal once that happens, though my term might run out before that.
The bad news is that our African subjects revolted and called in an ally. This is not a huge deal since it is only two provinces, but they have been a nuisance when they take unfortified provinces.
We are also out of manpower but it hasn't really hurt our sieges so far and I can hire more mercs if needed (I hired about 7k to deal with Naples)
Luckily we got a few good economic breaks since Tuscany's nobility is thrilled with the progress of the war so far (the peasants probably not so much)
Let me know what you guys think about the peace offer or anything else. We will not give up until we have totally destroyed our enemies!
The next few years of the war involved sieging, indecisive naval skirmishes, and fruitless attacks by freshly raised Milanese and Neopolitan conscripts in besieged provinces.
With Lombardia's fall Milan was officially defeated. Mantua somehow managed to sneakily become siege leader in two provinces but we can come out of the northern conflict with three provinces and a bonus.
I give you two options for the peace treaty with Milan. Option A:
and Option B:
Basically the only difference between the two is whether Milan will release Byzantium (Morea) or release Baden from vassalization. I am a fan of the Byzantium option because I am an ERE fan but you could argue that losing Baden would hurt them more.
Naples will officially be destroyed after their last province is sieged and I will propose a peace deal once that happens, though my term might run out before that.
The bad news is that our African subjects revolted and called in an ally. This is not a huge deal since it is only two provinces, but they have been a nuisance when they take unfortified provinces.
We are also out of manpower but it hasn't really hurt our sieges so far and I can hire more mercs if needed (I hired about 7k to deal with Naples)
Luckily we got a few good economic breaks since Tuscany's nobility is thrilled with the progress of the war so far (the peasants probably not so much)
Let me know what you guys think about the peace offer or anything else. We will not give up until we have totally destroyed our enemies!
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We thank the noble Prince for his information and believe that Baden should be freed from Milanese control. Byzantium eventually fell, they are a failure, if released and protected by us, will we not spend unproductive years fighting in Anatolia? We should also take care to finish the war ready to remove provinces from the Holy Roman Empire if possible, we do not wish to face the Emperor on the battlefield yet.
If Africa can we take advantage of this rebellion to pick up more lands, are they worth the effort to control?
We believe that the time we have to recover from these wars should be put to increasing our manpower reserves and fortifying Africa, we do not need a rebellion happening while we are engaged in other large conflicts. The forts at least give us some measure of control.
We thank the noble Prince for his information and believe that Baden should be freed from Milanese control. Byzantium eventually fell, they are a failure, if released and protected by us, will we not spend unproductive years fighting in Anatolia? We should also take care to finish the war ready to remove provinces from the Holy Roman Empire if possible, we do not wish to face the Emperor on the battlefield yet.
If Africa can we take advantage of this rebellion to pick up more lands, are they worth the effort to control?
We believe that the time we have to recover from these wars should be put to increasing our manpower reserves and fortifying Africa, we do not need a rebellion happening while we are engaged in other large conflicts. The forts at least give us some measure of control.
Hope it's allright to chime in again, in spite of my long absence from the game.
I would consider another peace deal too. Annexing Naples (that is the plan, right?) would mean 10 infamy - I'm having doubts about getting an additional 12 from Milan - especially as it includes three HRE provinces to make it harder for us to reduce it to managable levels.
I propose instead that we limit our northern gains to Parma and Ferrara, due to their valuable universities and a handy border with Genoa. In Cremona's place, we can demand the release of both Baden and Byzantium - while still leaving 7 WS worth of money for us to take.
Note the it's possible to demand cash in numbers not divisible by 25 too. Right-click on the plus (instead of left-click) and it'll increase the demand size by 100 ducats - or as close to it as possible. This latter part makes it possible to also demand amounts of money that is a multiple of 25 away from their current wealth.
I always preferred money to infamy, anyway. We could put it to good use by investing in infrastructure for long-term benefits.
THIRD PEACE DEAL: Ferrara, Parma, Baden and Byzantium + max cash
I would consider another peace deal too. Annexing Naples (that is the plan, right?) would mean 10 infamy - I'm having doubts about getting an additional 12 from Milan - especially as it includes three HRE provinces to make it harder for us to reduce it to managable levels.
I propose instead that we limit our northern gains to Parma and Ferrara, due to their valuable universities and a handy border with Genoa. In Cremona's place, we can demand the release of both Baden and Byzantium - while still leaving 7 WS worth of money for us to take.
Note the it's possible to demand cash in numbers not divisible by 25 too. Right-click on the plus (instead of left-click) and it'll increase the demand size by 100 ducats - or as close to it as possible. This latter part makes it possible to also demand amounts of money that is a multiple of 25 away from their current wealth.
I always preferred money to infamy, anyway. We could put it to good use by investing in infrastructure for long-term benefits.
THIRD PEACE DEAL: Ferrara, Parma, Baden and Byzantium + max cash
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As much as it pains me to admit ( ), we now wipe our asses with ducats thanks to the efforts of the imperial faction. So getting ducats in a peace deal is just worthless side dressing to take up empty warscore.
We will take three provinces for we must weaken Milan as much as possible. We lost too many men to take a light peace deal.
I'll the what I can do about removing the provinces from the HRE.
), we now wipe our asses with ducats thanks to the efforts of the imperial faction. So getting ducats in a peace deal is just worthless side dressing to take up empty warscore.We will take three provinces for we must weaken Milan as much as possible. We lost too many men to take a light peace deal.
I'll the what I can do about removing the provinces from the HRE.
The plague of war has gone on for too long, is it not time to white peace and allow our citizens to prosper?
I despise this blood thirsty faction that has seized control of our once proud nation.
I despise this blood thirsty faction that has seized control of our once proud nation.