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Just had an idea, I don't know if it has been mentioned before.

Anyway, what I would like to see is the ability to buy "indulgences"(sp) as a way to lower your BB rating.
Make them say a thousand gold each per BB point lowered.
You could buy only one a year.
What do you think?
 

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how bout something like a state gift to the pope from a catholic country makes all catholics like you a little more and with a few gifts that might make the diff for people with kinda high bb who dont want wars all the time. or if you declare war on one of his enemies it might help your relations a lot or something of that sort.
 

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Whats wrong with a state gift to all your neighbours - or are you complaining that that is too expensive for a real Bad Boy:D
 

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well in a denmark game of mine i annaxed 3 1prov nations and thats all i did for over 150yrs 1 i had a cb on and the other 2 were gotten in a defensive war but with norways provs and such i was hated by so many countries. i didnt get into many wars cuz a few others countries had worse bb but so many countries hated me and it was like 80yrs after i annaxed bremen that i finally got an ally other than moscovy who only stayed on a little bit then left and i have -200 relations with em for over a century. if i could pay 2k to get and keep good relations with europe i would have cuz i never got a random exploror and i couldnt trade maps without spending a few k trading with loads of people since everyone knew the provs i did or risk a big war with no allies. so my 50 ship navy sat and did nothing. i had plenty of cash since i never spent any so 3k for all christnian nations to not hate me and i would have payed it.
 

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Atually, this sounds like a good idea. Even better would be to have the Papacy reap the gold, and if the Pope doesn't exist, whoever controls Rome. It would make controlling the Pope as im[portant as it was historically. Coupled with excommunication, the Pope could be as effective diplomatically as he was in real history. It would also give them a good reason to champion the counter-reformation.
 

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Originally posted by jacob-Lundgren
well in a denmark game of mine i annaxed 3 1prov nations and thats all i did for over 150yrs 1 i had a cb on and the other 2 were gotten in a defensive war but with norways provs and such i was hated by so many countries. i didnt get into many wars cuz a few others countries had worse bb but so many countries hated me and it was like 80yrs after i annaxed bremen that i finally got an ally other than moscovy who only stayed on a little bit then left and i have -200 relations with em for over a century. if i could pay 2k to get and keep good relations with europe i would have cuz i never got a random exploror and i couldnt trade maps without spending a few k trading with loads of people since everyone knew the provs i did or risk a big war with no allies. so my 50 ship navy sat and did nothing. i had plenty of cash since i never spent any so 3k for all christnian nations to not hate me and i would have payed it.

Those German states are dirt-easy to diploannex, but even failing that I'm unsure what you were doing to get such a high BB. I'm playing Denmark right now and at my peak, in addition to my core provs and Norway, also held 5 German states and 3 dutch provinces, but my BB's never been higher than "very bad."

Of course most of my expansion was diploannexation, except the dutch provs. And I have released a vassal or two, which helps. I'm still in very good shape though. I'm on Vhard and have been peaceful for awhile, after letting the Neatherlands go as a vassal (which is almost an exploit on some level :)) I'm down to "slightly tarnished". I haven't had a single BB war all game.

Oh, and to comment on the topic, I don't see how this oculd be made to work and maintain diplomatic game balance. Plus it just seems sort of gratuitous...
 

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do provence defections add bb? if so 3 swedish provs defected and i didnt get into many wars my prob was everyone hated me and i couldnt make em like me for the few i tried bribing cuz it never satyed up. since i didnt get an exploror at all i was going to try tradeing for maps but since i knew of nothing new it would cost to much as almost all nations had -200 relations with me and they werent going up. the pope seems to always die in my games and i would also like to help him without having to send in 50k troops to try and liberate him cuz he never seems to want to recruit troops. i would enjoy it if only non-catholic nations or nations with a cb could declare war on the papal states.
 

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Originally posted by jacob-Lundgren
do provence defections add bb?



yup, that's part of your problem.



since i didnt get an exploror at all i was going to try tradeing for maps but since i knew of nothing new it would cost to much as almost all nations had -200 relations with me and they werent going up.


What's your Naval/Land DP slider set to? I've gotten four random explorers so far, but I'm mostly naval. Most nations on the map don't like me either, but it's not terribly important. I just maintain a couple of powerful allies and it's all good...


the pope seems to always die in my games and i would also like to help him without having to send in 50k troops to try and liberate him cuz he never seems to want to recruit troops. i would enjoy it if only non-catholic nations or nations with a cb could declare war on the papal states.

I've honestly never seen a Catholic country without a CB attack the Papal States, what aggressions setting are you playing with?
 

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I've seen the pope get involved in alliance wars, esp. with other italian minors and lose provinces that way.
 

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The popes of the 16th century were constantly scheming with France or Spain to kick the other one out of Italy. I don't see why a player giving money to the pope, who will undoubtedly be someone's enemy should help.
 

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Originally posted by Castelion
Just had an idea, I don't know if it has been mentioned before.

Anyway, what I would like to see is the ability to buy "indulgences"(sp) as a way to lower your BB rating.
Make them say a thousand gold each per BB point lowered.
You could buy only one a year.
What do you think?

I had a similiar thought once with fighting Pirates....it should help International Relations. Keeping trade lanes up open free of Pirates is good for all nations.
 

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In my current GC, the Papal States unified the Italian Peninsula except for Sienna by 1480