Buy Gary Grisby's World at War while waiting for 1.2?

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You guys are ridiculous. I can tell that most of you haven't even read up on the game by your comments.

One guy said his decision was made by a screenshot that showed various troops aligned against one another.

You realize that this is simply a combat resolution screen and is no different than having a stack of counters arrayed against each other? All that screen does is show which units are involved in combat and which units get destroyed. It is still crunching all the same numbers we wargamers know and love, and you can turn off the combat resolution screens if you like.

YOu all act like it is an either or choice with HOI2 and WAW, well I think if you have the money and love wargaming you should buy both.

1. WAW will give you a faster game than HOI2 if you do not feel like playing a week long campaign.

2. HOI2 is wonderful because of its diplomacy, and "what if" element, however, sometimes I just feel like commanding the historical war, where Japan and Germany ALWAYS end up in the war. This is what WAW will be good for, when you feel like commanding the hictorical war rather than the what if war.

3. Simpler game mechanics generally lead to better AI.

4. The fast turn based style and shorter game lengths will make WAW a better choice for impromptu online games. HOI remains the best MP --IF-- you can find 5 or 6 intelligent people who have several hours to devote to the game.

5. I believe WAW is only 30 bucks, so why not?

6. I know it looks like Axis and Allies, but this is Gary Grigsby we are talking about here, and he WILL deliver a game with depth, that much I am certain.

7. THe more complex a game is, the better a game is as far as I'm concerned, but I don't always play complex games, sometimes I enjoy something a little lighter, and that is a good time for WAW.

8. Not only will the game be fun and prove most of you wrong, but purchasing it will help to support the wargame industry. I think most of us here are old enough to remember when the computer wargame industry died a few years back. Well, its back now and I suggest you get busy supporting it.

9. I looked into the game rather deeply, and like all of you, I choose HOI 2 first, but also like all of you, I think I've got plenty of room on my harddrive for another Gary Grigsby game as well.

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[jmschaub]

It looks like a tragic mistake for Gary. His games have been excellent until this game. This looks like Axis & Allies 2 should have been. The two games are almost identical looking. If you don't mind shutting down the brain power to 10% it might be worth it. Maybe someday, probably soon, when it's in the discount bin i'll pick it up.

 

[Chaplain]

not recommended

Bought the game, played the game, and I'd be happy to sell my copy to you. There's no joy in it after playing HOI2. Very simple - almost paper/scissors/rock. No flavor. Underwhelming at every turn.

I wanted to like it a little, as a diversion. But now ... well, contact me if you want to pick up a copy on the cheap.

 

[Syagrius]

I am not convinced yet about WAW. I dont think its a good thing to put together the U.S. and Britain as the "western allies". Even if Axis and Allies is a very basic game, the U.S. and U.K were played separately. I think there is too few playable countries in WAW.

 

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I could understand that people would look forward to this title before HoI, but why buy a product that´s obviously less depth and complexity than HoI2? "World at War" looks like an "Axis and Allies Deluxe"... Í would have drooled about WOW before I found HoI2, but now I can´t bother...

 

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YOu all act like it is an either or choice with HOI2 and WAW, well I think if you have the money and love wargaming you should buy both.

Well said!

It is funny how the offical forums for these two games are like a mirror reflection of each other.

On the WaW forums: "HoI2 blows! WaW rocks!"

On the HoI2 forums: "WaW blows! HoI2 rocks!"

It does seem that a lot of people only have love in their hearts for a single WWI grand strategic game.

 

[jmschaub]

Well said!

It is funny how the offical forums for these two games are like a mirror reflection of each other.

On the WaW forums: "HoI2 blows! WaW rocks!"

On the HoI2 forums: "WaW blows! HoI2 rocks!"

It does seem that a lot of people only have love in their hearts for a single WWI grand strategic game.

Easily explained.... they probably like their games nice and simple. Not everyone can be smart you know

 

[unmerged(17593)]

i might buy it

I am on both forums a ton (everyday)
I have a number of Matrix games (UV KP TOS) I would love to buy WITP but $80 is a bit much for a game (my wife would yell) I am thinking of FPG and GOA for my next game WAW may be a bit simple for my taste

all the game i have from Matrix work great and they support them too (much like Paradox)

 

[RisingSun]

Well i just got this HOI2 not long ago, started over a few times trying to get my bearings straight so i know what i am doing.

I spend most of my time in WoW than this warfares, i dont think it take that long to reach Dec. 1947 so tell me how long does it take for you guys to play that far in HOI2.

I rather wait til patch is out, in the meantime im back in WoWing!

 

[november]

You guys are ridiculous. I can tell that most of you haven't even read up on the game by your comments.



4. The fast turn based style and shorter game lengths will make WAW a better choice for impromptu online games. HOI remains the best MP --IF-- you can find 5 or 6 intelligent people who have several hours to devote to the game.
Mailer

I guess you didn’t read the material over at Matrix. There’s no online option—it’s way too slow for that (according to Matrix).

 

[unmerged(40516)]

I dont trust singular reviews anymore, there is way to much fluff and pandering.

...like the one that convinced me to buy HoI2.

 

[unmerged(40516)]

I'd be wary of anything by Gary Grigsby. His previous WWII games have a pre-determined path - the Axis forces degrade in quality as the war goes on, regardless of the situation at the front. This was the case in both "Second Front" and "Carrier Strike".

 

[Possum]

I too will be steering clear of this game.

I've had several encounter's with GG, and have found him to be arrogant, and of the opinion that only he knows what happend in WW2.
He simply refuses to aknowlege that he can get things wrong.

So these days I simply won't buy any program he's had a hand in, as I know that what I'll be getting is his version of history, regardless of if, it had any historical basis, in fact.

 

[The Cabl3 Guy]

I have to say Matrix's War in The Pacific is just a great all round wargame...The AI is systematic & is actually impossible on impossible. I have to say I really am having a kick ass time with all my PBEMs even though they are primitive. I love how it combines old school hex war gaming into a new age. Buy it if your a navy buff.

 

[Grosshaus]

If you are sceptical about GGWAW you might want to go to the Matrix site and check out some of the AAR's done by the beta testers. They are what convinced me that the game will be challenging and fun. I don't care for the iconic graphics (in HOI2 I use unit counters) but apart from that, there seems to be depth and challenge enough...and the price ain't bad either.

They have lost all credibility in my book after blatantly bashing HoI2 before anybody had tried it using clear lies in the process.

 

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Mailer here,

When I say "online" gaming, I am loosely throwing the word around to mean PBEM or whatever. I am pretty sure it supports this. Even if there are NO multiplaying abilities, I've still given you a several solid reasons to at least give the game a try and stop being such a gaming snob.

It is not an either/or question, both games compliment one another very well and will each fulfill different sets of desires in our black, gaming hearts.

EDIT--this business about Grigsby being arrogant just doesnt make much sense to me. Looks like WAW pretty much follows the basic truths of world war 2 we all agree on. I mean, Johan puts his own interpretation of history into his games as well and I don't see you nailing him to the cross.

I like Johan's interpretation of history, just as I like Grigsby's.

If you want to see an arrogant game designer, try Derek Smart, designer of the Battlecruiser games. If a customer dare complain about ANYTHING on his forum, Derek Smart himself will sign on and tear the guy a new one. He thinks his games are the second coming.



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Still, as WW2 games go, my all time favourite has got to be Steel Panthers. (Including, yeah, the Matrix Games remake.)

Remember those dark days of the late war as Germany, when fighting the US armour had nothing to do with it--your whole goal was to keep your elite panzer crews from being cooked alive by twenty-four US strike aircraft. Man, was that a pain. Extra flak guns, decoy units you might hope they would bomb and rocket, even hoping for some AA help from the halftracks. US artillery wasn't much fun either, when they'd lay a bunch of 8" and 155mm on you. Fire once from a position, then get the hell out of there before the FFE came pounding in. It was just a question of how long you could stave off doomsday.

SP2 was great as well. I spent many happy hours with my Israeli M-60 variants shooting down whole battalions of Arab tanks, tracks and even trucks.

jkk

 

[november]

When I say "online" gaming, I am loosely throwing the word around to mean PBEM or whatever. I am pretty sure it supports this. Even if there are NO multiplaying abilities, I've still given you a several solid reasons to at least give the game a try and stop being such a gaming snob.

You’re working hard to get on my bad side. If you want to know if WAW has online or PEBM, go to their bloody site and read the stuff for yourself—geez.

Snob? HttR is a fantastic game. I bought WAW and so far it looks pretty good. I’m contemplating buying WitP. Who’s a snob? I’m starting to think you’re a troll bent on destroying Matrix’s reputation here.

 

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For those of you who have tried WAW:

Is it any point to buy it if you already has and like HoI2?
What are the main strengths of WAW?
What features in WAW is better/new compared to HoI2?
What are the main weaknesses of WAW?
What features in WAW is worse/missing in WAW compared to HoI2?

 

[unmerged(11496)]

They have lost all credibility in my book after blatantly bashing HoI2 before anybody had tried it using clear lies in the process.

Most unfortunate.

I still relish playing the updated WiR and WiP and, of course, SP:WaW from Matrix...it's unfortunate that there's not more cooperation between the two companies, they both tend to turn out excellent product and offer very strong customer support.