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KonradRichtmark

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How will buildings be handled in CK2? Will they be in?

I certainly hope that with the subdivision of counties into baronies, there will still be a place for buildings in the system. Medieval rulership wasn't only about vassal management, there was actual development taking place too!

Having all the buildings that were in CK1 buildable for every single barony would be a whole lot of micromanagement. What I'd suggest instead would be something like the following: Each barony has only a fixed, constant number of building "slots", abstractly representing constraints like available labour pool to work in or support whatever activity goes on in the building. A few non-supported infrastructure buildings like roads and fortifications, though, should not count towards the limit.

In that way, you'd actually be faced with a tradeoff; what do you want, what opportunity cost are you willing to pay (rather than CK1 where you could have it all eventually, only limited by how fast you could gather the money to build it all. Also, what buildings can be built should be affected by geography, as well as settlement type. It makes little sense to be able to build a forestry in the midst of the Ukrainian steppe. Schools and universities should only be buildable in cathedral and city settlements, not castles. Business-ish buildings like moneylenders and merchant houses should probably only be found in cities, while the best military improvements should probably be restricted to castles.
 

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I agree, but these rules were a lot less strict for non christians.

Not just non-Christians. Orthodox Slavs (hence "slaves") figured in the medieval slave trade to the western Mediterranean, and even crossed the Atlantic to pull galley oars in the early XVI century Caribbean. But (not to derail the OP), slaves could figure in construction, naval transport, and agriculture in the Mediterranean (sugar plantations began in the Levant, then Cyprus, then Sicily, then southern Iberia).
 
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Well, guess my ruler will get excommunicated and become a Heretic if i enable slavery. ^^

But, what about the orthodox countries, or the Roman Empire? Did some of them have slavery? I mean the former Western Roman Empire had many, many slaves, but they were not christians...
 

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Well, guess my ruler will get excommunicated and become a Heretic if i enable slavery. ^^

But, what about the orthodox countries, or the Roman Empire? Did some of them have slavery? I mean the former Western Roman Empire had many, many slaves, but they were not christians...

Slavery was pretty widespread actually, but it mostly occurred where Christians were neighbors to Muslims or Pagans. Wikipedia has a decent page in English on medieval slavery, but there are many other historical sources of course. Scandinavia had its thralls, who were considered the personal property of their masters, though this died out by the XII century. Slavery was rather pervasive in the Iberian Peninsula and the Holy Land, too.

It was against church law to enslave fellow Christians, but the Church in general sought to make masters treat their slaves humanely rather than abolish slavery itself. Once your Muslim or Pagan slaves converted, you were forbidden to sell them to non-Christian masters and encouraged to free them as an act of charity. Conversion did not guarantee freedom, however. But slaves were supposed to receive the sacraments and be allowed to marry whom they liked. I'm not so sure about slavery in the Byzantine Empire, though.