Building IC with Japan

[unmerged(177325)]

Hi Guys,

currently trying to evolve whether building IC with Japan is worth it or should I rather conquest?

Thanks for opinions.

Majorspud

 

[unmerged(160894)]

i think it never worth building IC. with any country. especialy with japan, which has many easy and unalligned targets to anex.

 

[x260bm]

Go for it. Japan has almost unlimited manpower after you take over China. The only thing holding it back is its IC and resources. You can trade for whatever you need once you build up your IC.

 

[wokelly]

i think it never worth building IC. with any country. especialy with japan, which has many easy and unalligned targets to anex.

I find its worthwhile for playing the UK, focus on IC during the prewar years, build up your base IC to 200, you get quite a bit of IC to play around with when war begins and you change your economy over to a war economy.

 

[unmerged(91248)]

Yes, but only so much you can do with 94 IC. I build one factory, but initially most of my IC goes towards infantry & arty to combat the Chinese hoards! July 1937 doesn't take long to come around.

 

[unmerged(57661)]

It is better to build units instead of ic if you play japan. Production increase you practical which decreases you production cost and research time.

 

[dertechie]

i think it never worth building IC. with any country. especialy with japan, which has many easy and unalligned targets to anex.

Many nations benefit immensely from IC whoring. Germany to an extent, the USA and USSR to a greater extent. Japan not so much as it has to start making units for China and fast.

Much better to have 400+ IC at home and use occupation policies for more manpower/leadership and less partisans.

 

[Mahrabal]

Many nations benefit immensely from IC whoring. Germany to an extent, the USA and USSR to a greater extent. Japan not so much as it has to start making units for China and fast.

Much better to have 400+ IC at home and use occupation policies for more manpower/leadership and less partisans.

USA definately benefits from building up IC in the early years (when your practcal get into the 90s though this is just abusing the system )

With Germany however I can not see how you can get your practcal up to a point where its worthwhile doing it and building your military up for a Summer 39 war, and I know which one of those 2 I would priortise.

The USSR I have never tried (roll on 1.3).

 

[unmerged(18087)]

I wouldnt bother building up IC with japan. They have such a resource issue they have to look to conquest fast and unit focus is important with them early on.

The USA and USSR on the other hand. I am the biggest IC whore in the world. Practically unlimiited resouces and lots of space deep in your country that will never be attacked/bombed.

 

[CommissionerJan]

Many nations benefit immensely from IC whoring. Germany to an extent, the USA and USSR to a greater extent. Japan not so much as it has to start making units for China and fast.

Much better to have 400+ IC at home and use occupation policies for more manpower/leadership and less partisans.

You have to build a few divisions to defeat China. . .but you don't need 100 divisions, and you have a year to build them.

Even if you have a few IC invested in long-term projects (BBs and CVs) you can still use '38 and '39 to build IC.
Once the war in Europe starts, you can go south, grab the ressources there and build a second batch of IC.

The trick is to not lose your practical by keeping it up with less IC-intesive projects, so if you can't build IC for a year, just build some infra somewhere.

 

[jonnyincognito]

USA definately benefits from building up IC in the early years (when your practcal get into the 90s though this is just abusing the system )

With Germany however I can not see how you can get your practcal up to a point where its worthwhile doing it and building your military up for a Summer 39 war, and I know which one of those 2 I would priortise.

The USSR I have never tried (roll on 1.3).

I always do a massive buildup of IC as Germany. How do I do this AND have my troops ready for the war? I start the war in the summer of 40! I also build airfields, forts, etc. in places I want them which seems to help the practical too. I do that before I start the IC buildup.

 

[dertechie]

I always do a massive buildup of IC as Germany. How do I do this AND have my troops ready for the war? I start the war in the summer of 40! I also build airfields, forts, etc. in places I want them which seems to help the practical too. I do that before I start the IC buildup.

Nice to see I'm not alone in that. Do you just leave Italy out of the Axis until 1940 then? I recall having to bail them out of Greece last time.

 

[GAGA Extrem]

Japan, like Italy, suffers from a huge ressource shortage, even at their starting IC level. This can be compensated to some point by buying from USA or SOV, but once these two are at war, your trade will probably collapse.

Imo neither ITA nor JAP benefits from an early IC build. Their practice is very low, their ressources too limited, a lucrative war too near for doing large IC builds. Better invest in additional units, thanks to practice it will become useful during the later days.

The true IC whores are USA and SOV, simply because they have high IC at the beginning of the game, tons of excess ressources and probably won't enter war before 1941.

As GER, I usually use a hybrid strat in HoI3: I build ~25 factories during 1936-1938, but add a few tanks, ART, planes and some CVL. The practice from LARM and ART comes handy to increase my army in 1938/1939, while INT is useful for some CAS and the CAG for my CVL.

 

[krieger11b]

I don;t think as Japan it is worth it, the practicals you get from building things are much more helpful.

 

[brisduv]

I wouldn' t recommend an IC builds as Japan until the troops are built needed for the conquest of China. I agree that once China is annexed the huge manpower boost means the ability to build a world class army (inf with small armored/mot corps) and Navy. I never got far enough into the game (thanks Paradox!) to build any IC as Japan but I think maybe in 38 and 39 small IC builds could be useful for military expansion.

 

[unmerged(54503)]

Originally Posted by gökhan
It is better to build units instead of ic if you play japan. Production increase you practical which decreases you production cost and research time.

I was pretty much an expert Japan player in HOI2/Arm and I found it worth building an extra 100 IC if you plan to go for world conquest and not ally with any of the majors.

Resources can be a bit tricky though, but it is doable. Mainly it was the massive stockpiles from conquests that provided the needed resource boosts at the crucial times. Still though I recall I had a lot of fun dealing with the resource shortages and figuring out how to manage it.

In HOI3 I am not sure yet.

Just started my first HOI3 game yesterday and I am playing Japan right now. One year in and I am not building any yet. This is mainly a learning experience for me and I am not concerned about stretching the limits in this game.

The trick is to build a massive amount in a single round (20, or more) and then reduce your builds to like 6 long runs of maybe like x12 each which basically makes it so the extra ones you built in the first big single run pays for the 6 long runs of x12 from then out as you slowly find yourself with ever increasing IC levels as the years go by. You still have your normal IC level ater the first round to build your combat units without the drag of IC build cost. Best to build enough infantry to meet your conquest needs for that one year before you start.

 

[Grimlin]

Since I've played Japan earlier (1.1) I don't know whether this information is still valid.
In any case I never had any problems with the chinese, I didn't build additional troops and NO useless tanks. I built ships and airplanes against the US since beating China is pretty easy and every additional division there will just strengthen the worst enemy... supply.
So in my opinion you can build IC if you like, just use your laws to keep in line with your resources. After conquering the Dutch East Indies and Malaya everything will be just fine.

 

[CommissionerJan]

Since I've played Japan earlier (1.1) I don't know whether this information is still valid.
In any case I never had any problems with the chinese, I didn't build additional troops and NO useless tanks. I built ships and airplanes against the US since beating China is pretty easy and every additional division there will just strengthen the worst enemy... supply.
So in my opinion you can build IC if you like, just use your laws to keep in line with your resources. After conquering the Dutch East Indies and Malaya everything will be just fine.

I found out the hard way that I needed some additional divisions in China, I was so overstretched in my first game that I ended up with single garrison bde holding the line. . .

Did you reorganize your inf from triangular to . . well, what do you call it? Biangular (2 inf bde per division)?

 

[azedalis]

The only thing I question is this. will Japan benefit from it in a supply reason with 1.3? It was said supply could be traced from honeland that produced ICs. I Don't remember much ICs in Korea. If KOrea had some ICs, would it help supply the units in the China area?

 

[x260bm]

I like to play at least somewhat historically and start the war with the allies in late 1941. Since it only takes 3 or 4 months to annex all of China that leaves a lot of time for IC whoring.