building bases in provinces of puppet states

[Weserübung]

Hi just a thought that crossed my mind. Wouldnt it be neat to be able to build air and naval bases on the territory of a puppet nation of yours?

If as Uk I want to build an airbase in northern India I cant because it is a puppet state. Or if as Soviet I was able to take Hamburg and thus create a GDR with a north sea port, I would set up a naval base there asap!

So can this be done?

 

[Easy1]

Would be a pretty neat feature. Especially as we enter the cold war period. But something to bear in mind is that it can be exploited easily. France can build level 10 forst all over Belgium and Britain can build level 10 forts all over Poland.

 

[chtiquick]

+1

 

[Kretoxian]

Would be a pretty neat feature. Especially as we enter the cold war period. But something to bear in mind is that it can be exploited easily. France can build level 10 forst all over Belgium and Britain can build level 10 forts all over Poland.

Maybe it could be solved simply by stablishing a limit to naval bases level?

 

[Emmanuel_M]

But something to bear in mind is that it can be exploited easily. France can build level 10 forst all over Belgium and Britain can build level 10 forts all over Poland.

1316 posts is impressive. But apparently you favored quantity over quality

Please read again:
"Building bases in provinces of puppet states"



On a more analytic note, I think feature is excellent but should come with limits :
MAX level 8 on puppet builds on everything (Air bases, naval bases, forts, infra, ...)
or could be extended to allied states with MAX level 5 (just have a look at the current number of overseas US bases)

 

[Easy1]

1316 posts is impressive. But apparently you favored quantity over quality

Please read again:
"Building bases in provinces of puppet states"



On a more analytic note, I think feature is excellent but should come with limits :
MAX level 8 on puppets
or could be extended to allied states with MAX level 5 (just have a look at the current number of overseas US bases)

I somehow though he was talking about alliance members, which could be discussed if also should be possible.

But still, puppets or alliance members, it can easily be exploited. So my point is still valid. That said, I support this idea.

You joined the party too late to read my first class quality posts

 

[Emmanuel_M]

You joined the party too late to read my first class quality posts

Sorry for the colloquial tone

I somehow though he was talking about alliance members, which could be discussed if also should be possible.

While I agree it should be discussed for alliance members too (Uncle Sam did build a ton of qualtiy infrastructure in Europe, including top notch military facilities in free Germany during the cold war), those questiosn should IMHO be distinct. To be simulationnist and realistic, I ll say that the french taxpayer who disagree on anything but welfare expenses whould have had objections to building freely a portion of the Maginot line in Belgium.

And to be nitpicking I would observe, as a sharp eagle I am, that neither Belgium nor Poland (the two wallable countries you rightfully identified) are part of the Allies coalition soon enough for the issue to matter anyways.

If you really are this fearfull, excluding land forts from the allied buildables, at least during peacetime, could be an option. While excluding mid tier infra is NOT.

But still, puppets or alliance members, it can easily be exploited. So my point is still valid. That said, I support this idea.

How would you exploit it on puppets ? UK using its scarce IC to build a Maginot line between Mumbai and Kolkota from 1933 to 1939, while definitely not realisitic, doesnt sound me as a terrifying exploit breaking the game balance. And Royal Navy financing a level 8 military port on the eastern indian coast, on the other hand, sounds me as a plausible defense strategy for a colonial power wanting to keep its ability to confront a rising japanese power in the far eastern seas.

 

[son of liberty]

This is a good idea.

 

[Easy1]

Sorry for the colloquial tone



While I agree it should be discussed for alliance members too (Uncle Sam did build a ton of qualtiy infrastructure in Europe, including top notch military facilities in free Germany during the cold war), those questiosn should IMHO be distinct. To be simulationnist and realistic, I ll say that the french taxpayer who disagree on anything but welfare expenses whould have had objections to building freely a portion of the Maginot line in Belgium.

And to be nitpicking I would observe, as a sharp eagle I am, that neither Belgium nor Poland (the two wallable countries you rightfully identified) are part of the Allies coalition soon enough for the issue to matter anyways.

If you really are this fearfull, excluding land forts from the allied buildables, at least during peacetime, could be an option. While excluding mid tier infra is NOT.



How would you exploit it on puppets ? UK using its scarce IC to build a Maginot line between Mumbai and Kolkota from 1933 to 1939, while definitely not realisitic, doesnt sound me as a terrifying exploit breaking the game balance. And Royal Navy financing a level 8 military port on the eastern indian coast, on the other hand, sounds me as a plausible defense strategy for a colonial power wanting to keep its ability to confront a rising japanese power in the far eastern seas.

You are right in that the French tax payer probably would refuse to do so, but he is not so much part of the game.

Belgium and France had an alliance til 1936. But those formalities are not really relevant. As a human player you would want to form alliances just so you could build an impregnable fort out of them, especially those of us that are sharp eagles.

I've found that land forts are not so decisive in DH. In HOI2 they were literally impregnable if spammed. Six land forts on a couple of Belgian border provinces and the war is won. IRL, a big brother projecting its force too much on a buffer country is not something that is often tolerated, just look what happened to the US rocket shield project in Eastern Europe

With forts nerfed it is no longer a game braker. I can live with the small exploits that might occur.

 

[son of liberty]

That is why I think it should only be permitted for puppets, though UK doing it for members of the commonwealth would be ok with me.

 

[uwmad]

Could immersion be deepened with events?
As in, your french tax payers create a dissent hit for wasting money on Belgium's defense. Or even a dissent hit for not building up a puppet (failure to create economic growth in IC). If such an event is possible, it would be a good way of representing the diverse building of Military goods in the USA in post war, as in if you build IC you have to build it everywhere or you take dissent hits (planes being made in every single congressional district).
Also, a cost increase for building things in puppet/ally, done in engine or by event, would make sense in certain situations. Consider the difficulties of building infrastructure in Afghanistan as face by the USSR and then by the USA.

 

[Fernando Torres]

Already logged as suggestion #1475
Something I have been long asking for