BUG: WON'T FIX: CTDs when you release as a vassal a nation that was a player

[Styrbiorn]

Nasty bug?

I haven't seen any report on this bug, but I might have missed it. If so, i'm sorry:

The bug is easiest described with an example (out of the AoN, but it doesn't matter):
Also, I can assure you there is nothing wrong with the events, just test it yourself, it isn't that hard:

Playing as Oman, I get an event that transforms me to Zanzibar. The Omani shield is still showed even if I'm Zanzibar now. As Zanzibar I can release Oman as a vassal and when I do that funny things happen. The dummy picture (that hand-drawn skull) appears on the screen and all my new CB shields I got in an event disappeared and instead I gain Oman's CB shields, as defined in the revolt file. Now when I surrender, the game simply crashes.

 

[sirbruce]

There is no such event. It sounds like you're playing EEP or something?

If you're using 1.04, you'll probably have to wait for 1.05 (if it hasn't been released for your country yet) as it has many fixes for countries changing tags.

Bruce

 

[Styrbiorn]

No, I was testing an event of my own.

I'm using 1.05 but it is not the event that is the real problem, but the game itself. When you change tag through an event, really nasty errors will occur when you release as a vassal the tag you used before the change.

 

[Vynd]

Originally posted by Styrbiorn
No, I was testing an event of my own.

I'm using 1.05 but it is not the event that is the real problem, but the game itself. When you change tag through an event, really nasty errors will occur when you release as a vassal the tag you used before the change.

If you created this event yourself, what makes you think these problems are a bug in the game? It sounds like you are making the game do something it wasn't designed to do.

I know that some nations, once eliminated, cannot be released again as vassals or appear as revolters. Orleans and Auvergne are examples. Perhaps you can give this status to Oman as part of the event that changes them into Zanzibar.

 

[Styrbiorn]

Hmm, let me explain with a situation of the regular, unedited, version, and you might see what I mean (though as I said, shouldn't matter).

Playing as the Manchu's you can by eliminating the Chinese become China yourself. So, when you do proclaim yourself China, the same thing happens. If I release Machuria as a vassal, all my CB shields are removed and I get the original Manchurian ones. The dummy pic is shown on the screen (under the flag marking the stability, to be exact) and the game suffers a CtD as soon as I press surrender.

 

[unmerged(1302)]

This was reported for Spain releasing Castille as a vassal some time ago, don't know what happened to it, if it was fixed or what.

 

[Styrbiorn]

Originally posted by Crook
This was reported for Spain releasing Castille as a vassal some time ago, don't know what happened to it, if it was fixed or what.

Oh, sorry, didn't know that

 

[AndrewT]

>Playing as Oman, I get an event that transforms me to Zanzibar. The Omani shield is still showed even if I'm Zanzibar now.

This last bit is definitely supposed to be fixed in 1.05. Can you please duplicate this with unmodified 1.05, please? I suspect it causes the later problems.

 

[Styrbiorn]

Originally posted by AndrewT


This last bit is definitely supposed to be fixed in 1.05. Can you please duplicate this with unmodified 1.05, please? I suspect it causes the later problems.

I just duplicated it with a completely inmodified 1.05. Playing as Castile I became Spain. My old shield is still shown. When I released Castille as a vassal, the dummy picture (still that skull) appeared where the flag is shown besides the stability number. All my CB shields disappeared and I got Castille's CB shields (as defined in revolt.txt) instead - with the Castillian shield. Same goes when playing Manchu and becoming China.

 

[AndrewT]

I swear this was supposed to have been fixed in 1.05, but I cannot see it in the listed fixes. It is still listed as unfixed in the public bug list:

13 : Type: Technical | Status: DUPLICATE | Severity: MINOR
Free Castille vassal after becoming Spain displays skull in right-upper corner (duplicate of bug #28)
Reported In: 1.02 | Correction planned In: | Corrected In:

Let's go to the tapes ...

 

[AndrewT]

Originally posted by Styrbiorn


I just duplicated it with a completely inmodified 1.05.

Ok, can I get a saved game that we can use as a basis for duplicating this please? Zip up the .eug and .eug.cfg files and email them to me at ataubman@ducros.com.au , along with a link to this thread, your forum Nick, and any instructions necessary to duplicate the problem. Thanks.

 

[Styrbiorn]

You should have it by now.

I sent you a Castilian save file, do you think you need another example (eg Manchu, Moscovy)?

I've seen the line "no = SPA" under the Castile struct in the revolt file, which I suppose are there to prevent Castile from forming when Spain exists, but if so it obviously doesn't work very well.

 

[AndrewT]

I have it now, and indeed I can reproduce the problem. AFAIK this is mainly due to the vassal containing the country's capital, Castila in this case. If you also have a save from a situation where this is not the case, that would be useful too. Thanks.

 

[Styrbiorn]

Originally posted by AndrewT
I have it now, and indeed I can reproduce the problem. AFAIK this is mainly due to the vassal containing the country's capital, Castila in this case. If you also have a save from a situation where this is not the case, that would be useful too. Thanks.

I don't have one but I can fix one. That Oman-Zanzibar event was one of these and I can assure you I has nothing to do with the capital. I can a version from the unedited game though.

 

[AndrewT]

I'm going to need a save where this happens when it is not a capital province you release. Preferably not an EEP one. Can you do that for me? Thanks.

 

[Styrbiorn]

I think I can fix that, but the problem is not the capital. The problem occurs when you play country X, through an event becomes country Y and then release country X as a vassal. I'll fix a save though.

 

[AndrewT]

Let's get back to the nature of the problem. It is that "all my CB shields are removed and I get the original Manchurian (eg) ones. The dummy pic is shown on the screen (under the flag marking the stability, to be exact) and the game suffers a CtD as soon as I press surrender."

The crucial question is, does this continue if you save and reload?

 

[Styrbiorn]

If you save and reload at once, ie in the game, it crashes. If you save, exit the game and start again, it works fine.

 

[sirbruce]

The save and reload problem sounds like the typical CTD that happens intermittently any time you try to save and reload (frequiently under 1.04; less often under 1.05) and not related to the vassalization issue.

But I could be wrong; there are some things that are not properly re-initalized when you do a reload from within the game (for instance, the world map in the lower left does not reset).

Bruce

 

[AndrewT]

Originally posted by Styrbiorn
If you save and reload at once, ie in the game, it crashes. If you save, exit the game and start again, it works fine.

I suspect SirBruce is right, although I did think the CTD during reload within the game issue was fixed in 1.05. As it stands, as the problem only occurs under very specific and unlikely circumstances (who would release some of their core provinces as a vassal?), and it is easily worked around by a reload, Paradox do not want to address this issue any further. Sorry.