Bug or WAD?: Mamluks don't lose stability on monarch death

[Canute VII]

Hi, this is irking me somewhat:

• all monarchies lose -1 stability when the ruler dies regardsless of any special government mechanics
• with CoC DLC the Mamluks have elections as part of their special government mechanics, they are still a monarchy though
• when a Mamluk ruler dies, they don't lose -1 stablity

So I would have expected them to lose -1 stability regardless of elections by nobles.

What do you think: is this a bug or is it working as designed?

 

[Battlex]

Hi, this is irking me somewhat:

• all monarchies lose -1 stability when the ruler dies regardsless of any special government mechanics
• with CoC DLC the Mamluks have elections as part of their special government mechanics, they are still a monarchy though
• when a Mamluk ruler dies, they don't lose -1 stablity

So I would have expected them to lose -1 stability regardless of elections by nobles.

What do you think: is this a bug or is it working as designed?

It's WAD, why do you think they should lose stab?

 

[EarlKonrad]

WAD. Now there is a bug with them when playing without CoC which is how all of their monarchs start out with low legitimacy.

 

[Canute VII]

It's WAD, why do you think they should lose stab?

Because they are a monarchy after all. All monarchies lose stability. Even English Monarchy with Parliament and Poland with Elective Monarchy.
And because it had not been mentioned in the development diary. Something like that would have been mentioned if WAD, I believe.

I guess pds just copied over the election code from republics and forgot about the stability loss?

 

[Battlex]

Because they are a monarchy after all. All monarchies lose stability. Even English Monarchy with Parliament and Poland with Elective Monarchy.
And because it had not been mentioned in the development diary. Something like that would have been mentioned if WAD, I believe.

I guess pds just copied over the election code from republics and forgot about the stability loss?

It's balance vs Ottos
Ottos you get to see stats and high chance of stats
Mamlukes you don't get to see stats, only have INCREASED ADM, but don't lose stab, this is why they are always first to 'administrating an empire'

 

[Canute VII]

It's balance vs Ottos
Ottos you get to see stats and high chance of stats
Mamlukes you don't get to see stats, only have INCREASED ADM, but don't lose stab, this is why they are always first to 'administrating an empire'

But... is this your interpretation or is it something the devs said?

 

[Battlex]

But... is this your interpretation or is it something the devs said?

Inference, but you could probably find devs saying something not too dissimilar. Seeing how much is balanced on dev MP, wouldn't be surprised, also mamlukes have a cheevo so can't be too weak

 

[Canute VII]

Inference

The same could be said about my reasoning for expecting them to have stability loss
I guess I'm just going to file a bug report and see where this will be going.

 

[Me_]

The same could be said about my reasoning for expecting them to have stability loss
I guess I'm just going to file a bug report and see where this will be going.

Yup, seems very much like a bug. There is no reason for them not to have a stab loss. All other monarchies have them, whatever weird type they happen to be.

 

[master_kong]

I think it's WAD and it makes sense somewhat for the Mamluks.

 

[Battlex]

Yup, seems very much like a bug. There is no reason for them not to have a stab loss. All other monarchies have them, whatever weird type they happen to be.

Signorias tread the line between Republic and monarchy allowing royal marriages, but do not have stab loss on monarch death

 

[BoomKidneyShot]

Because they are a monarchy after all. All monarchies lose stability. Even English Monarchy with Parliament and Poland with Elective Monarchy.
And because it had not been mentioned in the development diary. Something like that would have been mentioned if WAD, I believe.

I guess pds just copied over the election code from republics and forgot about the stability loss?

States General Monarchies don't lose stab on Ruler Death either. That might not be true if the ruler is a general though.

 

[Canute VII]

Signorias tread the line between Republic and monarchy allowing royal marriages, but do not have stab loss on monarch death

Yes, they are republics and have "republican tradition". Hence, not having stability loss seems consistent. Being able to have royal marriages is their special feature.

By inference, Mamluks are a monarchy and have "legitimacy". Hence, not having stability loss seems inconsistent. Only the election is their special feature.

 

[Me_]

Signorias tread the line between Republic and monarchy allowing royal marriages, but do not have stab loss on monarch death

Signorias are republics. This isn't a matter of personal preference but game mechanic. If you want to learn more about the types of government there are the following 4 types:

Government - Europa Universalis 4 Wiki

eu4.paradoxwikis.com

 

[Canute VII]

States General Monarchies don't lose stab on Ruler Death either. That might not be true if the ruler is a general though.

I haven't played this yet, so can't confirm or deny, but can kind of get behind it. Losing stability every 4 years when on the statist (orangist) side would be too harsh. On the other hand, they probably should lose stability when on the monarchist side (imho).

 

[LukasYork]

Mamluks don't lose stability on monarch death because technically their monarch doesn't die. He's replaced.
You might notice that when you get the event your previous monarch is still alive (same for republics) and is only replaced after you chose one of the available options.

 

[Manwe_Sulimo]

They didn't say anything specific about that in the DLC when they announced it. Still I am pretty sure its not a bug though as it is something pretty obvious. One could argue that it is inconsistent with them being a monarchy, but no rule without exception. The bigger issue imo is that its so rare to actually use their government abilities as they tick very slowly and get reset when the monarch dies, in additon the 2nd and 3rd which has 0 affect when you pick the Circassian guy. As the effects are rather weak as well, it wouldn't hurt to make them more ready available and give the 2nd and 3rd a minor effect irrespective of culture.

Afaik you lose stab if a Republican ruler-general dies (only 1 though, a monarch would lose 2).

 

[EarlKonrad]

Mamluks don't lose stability on monarch death because technically their monarch doesn't die. He's replaced.
You might notice that when you get the event your previous monarch is still alive (same for republics) and is only replaced after you chose one of the available options.

Which can lead to all sorts of exploits (using Piety before the new ruler comes to power, spending their unique government currency, and maybe other I can't think of right now). I'm honestly impressed that they never "addressed this issue". It would be totally in line with how the Devs have fixed so-called "exploits" like this one in the past and even more obscure stuff.

 

[Battlex]

Yes, they are republics and have "republican tradition". Hence, not having stability loss seems consistent. Being able to have royal marriages is their special feature.

By inference, Mamluks are a monarchy and have "legitimacy". Hence, not having stability loss seems inconsistent. Only the election is their special feature.

Them being a quasi noble republic is likely why lack of stab hit

Which can lead to all sorts of exploits (using Piety before the new ruler comes to power, spending their unique government currency, and maybe other I can't think of right now). I'm honestly impressed that they never "addressed this issue". It would be totally in line with how the Devs have fixed so-called "exploits" like this one in the past and even more obscure stuff.

You can spend established mana of tri buttons, but can't get any new on month end, tested in recent game couple of weeks ago

States General Monarchies don't lose stab on Ruler Death either. That might not be true if the ruler is a general though.

Republics lose 1 stab if ruler dies as general, so likely the cause for states general as well

 

[RichardOlcese]

From the Wiki:
An important advantage of this system is that the is no stability loss when a Monarch die, so it's far easier for Mamluks to have 3 stability and make monarchs generals have no real downside, so it's good if current ruler is bad

Mamluks - Europa Universalis 4 Wiki

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