BUG: NEW: No Effect option in an event shows no mouseover text, just a blank box

[Chas]

Sweden Great Army Reorg - no mouseover

In 1687 as Sweden (1.08, GC) I got 'The Great Army Reorganisation' event.

It gives explanatory text OK. It gives 2 options:
- 'Reform the Army' - the mouseover explains the consequences: manpower increases, tax reductions etc,
- 'Use the old system' - the mouseover gives an empty box.

So I chose the first, though I didn't need the manpower or want the tax reductions, because I was too scared what the other one might do to me.

I've searched this forum and found nothing for it.

 

[labalag]

Well if you looked in the eventfiles and searched for that ebvent you'd come up with this

#The Great Army Reorganisation#
event = {
	id = 3244
	random = no
	country = SWE
	name = "EVENTNAME3244"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3244"
	style = 3

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1683 }
	offset = 1600

	action_a ={ # Reform the army.
		name = "ACTIONNAME3244A"
		command = { type = gainbuilding which = -2 value = barrack }
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = -1 value = 2 }
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = -1 value = 2 }
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = -1 value = 2 }
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = -1 value = 2 }
		command = { type = provincemanpower which = -1 value = 2 }
		command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = -1 } # Lost taxes
		command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = -1 }
		command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = -1 }
		command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = -1 }
		command = { type = provincetax which = -1 value = -1 }
	}
	action_b ={ # Maintain present system
		name = "ACTIONNAME3244B"
		command = {  } # Nothing happens
	}
}

so there is no need to panic as there is nothing that happens in the second choice...

 

[IEX Totalview]

Maybe add a token effect for the second choice, like "Land Investments +100" so there will be a rollover and it won't confuse players.

 

[unmerged(9404)]

Make that into a negative investment, or better some harmless victory points.

 

[unmerged(21544)]

-5 or -10 victory points seems the standard practice in these situations.

 

[DPS]

I'd say, if we have to add an effect to the B choice (I don't really think we need to), then +1 stability might be appropriate--you're declining to make changes, so things are more stable.

 

[AndrewT]

you're declining to make changes, so things are more stable

No, they are just not less stable No change means no change in either direction.

 

[DPS]

Well, I tend to agree that the event's fine as is, but others seem to think that there should be some minimal affect. If we do add some affect for the B choice, I just think +1 stability would be better than the other suggestions. I guess the best would be just to put "nothing happens" in the rollover discription of the B choice.

BTW, I don't have time to check right now, but I think there are maybe a few other events where nothing happens with the B choice which also have no description in the rollover.

 

[Chas]

Most of the posts are all a bit expert-oriented. I suppose you figure nobody buys the game any more, so the only people you need to cater for are the in-crowd on the forum.

Perhaps so.

But I'm a mediocre occasional player. 'No change' in an event is clearly very unusual, as I've had 1000's of events in my gameplay, and I've never seen this before. And a 1cm square empty box doesn't look anything like a valid interface - it looks just like a bug.

Here's another case where it might WAD, but that just means it's a bad D

 

[unmerged(6159)]

Why not +10 vp? You're certainly making your life harder by not taking the conscription centre

 

[DPS]

Why not +10 vp? You're certainly making your life harder by not taking the conscription centre

I disagree. The conscription center isn't worth the lost tax value, IMO. If you're going to use VP's as the effect of choice B, then -10 would be better than +10.

 

[AndrewT]

So no agreement here so far. I'll leave it as is then.

 

[Chas]

So no agreement here so far. I'll leave it as is then.

That can't be the right answer. I assume from the responses that the event system allows no 'no effect' comment. But you could put that in the descriptive text.

And anyway, -1VP or +1VP amounts to virtually no effect . As would +1d.

I have been playing AGCEEP recently, and there are more of these empty little boxes in that, but then it is a mod.

 

[IEX Totalview]

That can't be the right answer. I assume from the responses that the event system allows no 'no effect' comment. But you could put that in the descriptive text.

And anyway, -1VP or +1VP amounts to virtually no effect . As would +1d.

I have been playing AGCEEP recently, and there are more of these empty little boxes in that, but then it is a mod.

Yeah, I thought that was more or less the consensus - make the effect of B -1 vp to get rid of the blank box.

 

[DPS]

I'm OK with that.

 

[AndrewT]

Heh heh, I thought that would get some agreement going

-1 VP it is then; anything to bring Sweden down even a little bit

 

[wryun]

So no agreement here so far. I'll leave it as is then.

Why don't we call it a bug that no message is shown for 'no effects'?

 

[AndrewT]

Why don't we call it a bug that no message is shown for 'no effects'?

Fair enough. MINOR bug 366 logged, thankls.