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Issues with Norway

Well, a few things.

-Northern provinces without idustry:
Infrastructure here should be raised in order to sustain armies. Historically, the 6th Division was in Finnmark guarding the soviet border when the Germans invaded Narvik.

-Not enough resources
Norway is unable to keep it's insdustry going at all. There simply isn't enough resources to trade or to keep it going. After the starting resources are gone, industry slows to a halt. Surly there were more resources in Norway at the time.

-Comparison between Norway and Sweden:
At the outbreak of war, in 1939, the Swedish armies have on average an organization of 55+, whilst Norway is still at 39. I am no history buff, but I know Sweden was no better prepeared for war than Norway. The increase Swedish readiness came after German invasion of Denmark and Norway.

-Unable to join the allies before war breaks out. Historically, I don't think the brits would have turned down a Norwegian offer to join them, even before the war. Specially considering their interests. Maybe this should be tweaked so that a player can join the allies, but that AI Norway and Britain will never try to join each other, since that didn't happen historically before war broke out.

-Tech sharing. I notice as a minor, I am still a backwater nation in tech, and unable to help the allied cause since the axis (germany) are wastly superior. The tech sharing should be increased. I also notice that the allies share the SAME techs over and over again. I got like 5 pre war field testing techs.
 
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Re: Issues with Norway

Originally posted by Galleblære

-Unable to join the allies before war breaks out. Historically, I don't think the brits would have turned down a Norwegian offer to join them, even before the war. Specially considering their interests. Maybe this should be tweaked so that a player can join the allies, but that AI Norway and Britain will never try to join each other, since that didn't happen historically before war broke out.

Ability to join is based on warentry and we probably don't want to just raise it. Most likely you should raise this in the mod forum and come up with an event that will allow Norway to join the Allies pre-war.

I also notice that the allies share the SAME techs over and over again. I got like 5 pre war field testing techs.

Are you sure it wasn't 3? You know all three doctrines have a 'pre-war field testing' right? A couple of other early doctrine levels are also duplicated (or triplicate). Several tech branches also have things like 'Improved Ordinance and Equipment' so it's hard to know which one you got.
 

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Also, I'd like to add, by invading Norway, Germany secured Narvik and got the iron ore from Sweden. However, since the game engine isn't advanced enough to handle this, there isn't really any reason for Germany to invade and take Narvik. Perhaps the amount of Iron ore there should be upped?
 

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Originally posted by Galleblære
Also, I'd like to add, by invading Norway, Germany secured Narvik and got the iron ore from Sweden. However, since the game engine isn't advanced enough to handle this, there isn't really any reason for Germany to invade and take Narvik. Perhaps the amount of Iron ore there should be upped?
I think the game starts with some convoy from Sweden to Germany to represent the iron ore. Maybe this should also be a series of events where they get less steel (or none) from Sweden if they don't control Narvik.
 

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Originally posted by Galleblære
That might be true, yes. As for the other issues, what do you think?
I don't really know enough about Scandinavia to comment on the rest.
 

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Ok logged the following:

1) Make the amount of iron in Narvik severely higher (80 or so to simulate the Swedish ore in the neighbourhood.) Currently the engine is not advanced enough to simulate the Swedish ore in that Norwegian port

2) Northern provinces (Narvik, Finnmark) should get infra 34. Norwegian divisions were guarding that area IRL

3) Give Norway the same techs as Sweden in all scenarios
 

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Well, I see none of the suggestions were added to 1.04...

As it is now, the player has to either be a jackass or want to replay history exacly in order to invade Norway. With an improved Narvik province, Germany will actually profit from an invasion, and increasing the tech in Norway to that of Sweden will help simulate the initial losses for Germany in Narvik.
 

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Originally posted by Galleblære
Well, I see none of the suggestions were added to 1.04...

As it is now, the player has to either be a jackass or want to replay history exacly in order to invade Norway. With an improved Narvik province, Germany will actually profit from an invasion, and increasing the tech in Norway to that of Sweden will help simulate the initial losses for Germany in Narvik.

Changes will be made... Ideas here were submitted after 1.04 went to publishers