BUG: FIXED in 1.06: nationalregenter following Gustav Wasa

[kurtbrian]

nationalregenter following Gustav Wasa

I was happily playing Sweden with NA 1.05, when Gustav Wasa rose to the Throne in 1520.

I then broke my vassalage to denmark by converting to protestantim, Immediately following that I had the End of the kamlar-union(3224)

I chose option A -'death to the danish tyrant'
promtly 'nationalregenter rose to the throne pushing Gustav Wasa away....

I played as far as 1525 without him reappearing

 

[sirbruce]

Okay, I guess the problem is "nationalregenter" is getting activated after it should already be dead...

The nationalregenter isn't activated if the Kalmar ends "naturally" between 1521 and 1525 via event 3219. But if the vassalages with Denmark break early, then event 3234 can trigger anytime between 1419 and 1521. But the nationalregenter dies in 1520.

I would propose changing the enddate for event 3234 to 1519 to avoid this circumstance.

Bruce

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by sirbruce
Okay, I guess the problem is "nationalregenter" is getting activated after it should already be dead...

The nationalregenter isn't activated if the Kalmar ends "naturally" between 1521 and 1525 via event 3219. But if the vassalages with Denmark break early, then event 3234 can trigger anytime between 1419 and 1521. But the nationalregenter dies in 1520.

I would propose changing the enddate for event 3234 to 1519 to avoid this circumstance.

Bruce

1519 would be too early I think since you wouldn't have any 'end of the kalmarunion' in a small time period.

My suggestion would be to alter the death date for event 3234 to 31 dec.1520 so the events can't overlap and event 3219 could still trigger at the correct time.

 

[sirbruce]

Originally posted by kurtbrian
1519 would be too early I think since you wouldn't have any 'end of the kalmarunion' in a small time period.

My suggestion would be to alter the death date for event 3234 to 31 dec.1520 so the events can't overlap and event 3219 could still trigger at the correct time.

My problem there is I thought if a end date is simply year = 1520 it could happen anytime in 1520, not simply at the end. So there would still be a potential case where Gustav assumes the throne but then the regency re-awoken.

Bruce

 

[kurtbrian]

you can add months to deathdates too

 

[sirbruce]

Yes, but if you want to cover all of 1520, you need to make Gustav rise to the throne in 1521 instead.

Bruce

 

[kurtbrian]

no bug mod wants to comment on this??

 

[AndrewT]

Originally posted by kurtbrian
no bug mod wants to comment on this??

I'm just standing back and letting the discussion come to some conclusion so there's somethug solid to work with.

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by AndrewT


I'm just standing back and letting the discussion come to some conclusion so there's somethug solid to work with.

ok!

just thought that you guys didn't want anything to do with it, since you lack of comments, as you usually comment one way or the other...

 

[kurtbrian]

throwing out some ideas

make 3234 deathdate 31dec 1519

make startdate for 3219 1jan 1520
so they don't overlap anymore


and then change the trigger for 3219 to be NOT=event 3234 instaed of the vassal thingie. So that if the vassalage have been ended after 3234 have ended it would still trigger


will this work?

 

[sirbruce]

Okay, so I did some research....

Gustav Vasa didn't proclaim himself King until June 6th, 1523!
He was leader rebellions in 1520, but he wasn't proclaimed National Chancellor until 1521, after the Danish King fled the Stockholm Bloodbath in 1520.

The event 3234 to end the Kalmar Union prematurely, before Vasa, ends Dec 31, 1521. The event 3219 associated with Gustav Vasa starts Jan 1, 1521.

So, it seems to me the best thing to do is this:

1. Change the end date of event 3234 to Dec 31, 1520.
2. Change the end dates for the Union and Regent placeholders (06300 and 06301) to Dec 31, 1520.
3. Change Gustav Vasa's (06302) start date to Jan 1, 1521.

The only thing I could see changing is if you want to keep with the union between 1521 and 1525, maybe Sweden should never get a monarch at all. But I don't think that's the intent of the event, he'd still be around, just as a vassal chancellor and not a King... besides you'd have to sleep all the other monarchs and extend the reign of 06300 all the way to the end of the game? Probably not the way to go.

So, I recommend implementing 1, 2, and 3 as described above. It doesn't make any sense have Gustav rise to the "throne" in 1520.

Bruce

 

[sirbruce]

Originally posted by kurtbrian
throwing out some ideas

make 3234 deathdate 31dec 1519

make startdate for 3219 1jan 1520
so they don't overlap anymore


and then change the trigger for 3219 to be NOT=event 3234 instaed of the vassal thingie. So that if the vassalage have been ended after 3234 have ended it would still trigger


will this work?

Event 3234 sleeps event 3219 so it isn't an issue.

I think my solution makes more sense historically. I would have posted it first but it took longer to type.

Bruce

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by sirbruce


Event 3234 sleeps event 3219 so it isn't an issue.

I think my solution makes more sense historically. I would have posted it first but it took longer to type.

Bruce

but it is !

if you do it my way without the change in triggers then if you end the vassalage between the events 3219 never fires so the kalmar union will never end.


But I like your idea as well

 

[sirbruce]

Hmmm, you may have a point about the trigger. I was thinking the trigger was checked at the startdate, and then the event actually fired per the offset. Not that the offset was calculated first and then the trigger checked to see if the event happens.

I think we can simply extend the deathdate of 3234 to 1525, making it the same deathdate as 3219. And then if 3219 fires, we'll sleep 3234. Since the regent monarchs are already dead by then, I don't think wakemonarch will do anything, right?

Bruce

 

[kurtbrian]

I think it will because in my initial problem that caused all this mess wasa became king 1520 because of the death of nationalregenter and then in 1521 I wen t prot. nad later the end event fired waking up nationalregenter

 

[sirbruce]

But that was in 1520, when regenter would still be "alive" when woken up.

With our changes in even if awoken in 1521 it won't usurp Gustav.

I guess I need to test it.

Bruce

 

[kurtbrian]

no, that wasin 1521 when the deathdate for nationalregenter' was exeded.

The nationalregenter had died of old age...

making gustav wasa king

then the event fired and nationalrgenter was risen fromt he grave...

 

[sirbruce]

Okay. Hmm.

So, yes I see, we just have the trigger for 3219 to be NOT event 3234 instead and then even if you forcibly break the vassalage in 1521 it'll still fire off.

The problem though there is then you can choose option B, pretending the union still exists when it doesn't...

Okay, so how about this... change the offset of event 3219 so that it always goes off on January 1, 1521 (along with the other changes I mentioned before). Kinda takes some of the fun out of it, but avoids the whole issue.

The only other way I see around it is manipulating the monarch file even more and that seems to be too much effort for such a minor bug.

Bruce

 

[kurtbrian]

I'm mostly for changing the startdate to always fire on 1.jan 1521

and make Gustav Wasa startdate the same date, so that we will be certain that he is not oushed aside from nationalregenter

 

[sirbruce]

I thought about that, too, and it's a cleaner solution, but I thought that some randomness was desired.

Bruce