BUG: FIXED IN 1.06: Ingermanland missing as Cb for pre-Russian states

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Ingerman Peril...

Hmm.....I've noticed with the new patch Moscovy in both the AOE and GC don't have Ingermanland as a national province....hmmmm....neither does Novgorad...I wonder if in the GC the other Russian Pricipalies have this problem as well....hmm......what do you see? What do you think? Personally I would like to see it as a national province again.....

 

[HisMajestyBOB]

Well, just use that handy-dandy scenario editor to make it a core province for those countries (which it should be anyway)!

 

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Novgorod certainly does have Ingermanland as a core province in 1419. (I've not checked the other scenarios.) No other nation does, however.
[EDIT: Nope, Novgorod doesn't either. Controlledprovinces isn't nationalprovinces, no matter how tired one is when one looks at the scenario file.]

Denmark, Poland, Sweden, and Russia can all get CB shields on it in The Fate of the Teutonic Order series of events, though these don't go off if the TO isn't still around to fall apart in 1560 or 1561.

Oddly enough, Russia does not get a chance at a CB shield if the TO makes the historical choice (Polish-Swedish agreement). Even worse, Russia doesn't get a CB in either of the two events that can move the capital to Ingermanland.

 

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Originally posted by Korath
Novgorod certainly does have Ingermanland as a core province in 1419. (I've not checked the other scenarios.) No other nation does, however.

Denmark, Poland, Sweden, and Russia can all get CB shields on it in The Fate of the Teutonic Order series of events, though these don't go off if the TO isn't still around to fall apart in 1560 or 1561.

Oddly enough, Russia does not get a chance at a CB shield if the TO makes the historical choice (Polish-Swedish agreement). Even worse, Russia doesn't get a CB in either of the two events that can move the capital to Ingermanland.

Oh that's sad.....

 

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Originally posted by Korath
Novgorod certainly does have Ingermanland as a core province in 1419. (I've not checked the other scenarios.) No other nation does, however.

Denmark, Poland, Sweden, and Russia can all get CB shields on it in The Fate of the Teutonic Order series of events, though these don't go off if the TO isn't still around to fall apart in 1560 or 1561.

Oddly enough, Russia does not get a chance at a CB shield if the TO makes the historical choice (Polish-Swedish agreement). Even worse, Russia doesn't get a CB in either of the two events that can move the capital to Ingermanland.

That is kind of bad, and I'm pretty sure that Novgorod doesn't get Ingermanland as a core province in the GC - I just started a GC as them. The do own it, but it isn't core. Guess what one of the first goals of the AI Sweden/Denmark is to conquer...

 

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Originally posted by satan
That is kind of bad, and I'm pretty sure that Novgorod doesn't get Ingermanland as a core province in the GC

Eagh, you're right - I was looking at the wrong line in the scenario file. Here's egg on my face.

 

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This sounds like a bug to me. Is it known in the Bug Reporting forum?

 

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Originally posted by Korath
Eagh, you're right - I was looking at the wrong line in the scenario file. Here's egg on my face.

I don't think so. I'm also not sure that it is a bug, it was probably deliberately removed (not sure why, since I think it is wrong - should be a core province for Russia).

 

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I think it was done so Sweden could actually get past Ingermandland and to Estland and maybe even Kourland. And historically Peter the Great didn't have a claim on it (didn't even have a peace settlement) when he built the Peter & Paul fortress. But after the St. Petersburg event, it should be a national province.

 

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Originally posted by Korath
Eagh, you're right - I was looking at the wrong line in the scenario file. Here's egg on my face.

I knew it!

 

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Originally posted by Lord xEnderx
I think it was done so Sweden could actually get past Ingermandland and to Estland and maybe even Kourland. And historically Peter the Great didn't have a claim on it (didn't even have a peace settlement) when he built the Peter & Paul fortress. But after the St. Petersburg event, it should be a national province.

What? How about Ivangorod? And the fact that baltic tribes paid tribute to Russian princes in Novgorod in 1200s? If Russia has a CB on Kexholm, I don't understand why they don't have it on Ingermanland.

 

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Crook, you obviously have alot more knowledge than I of Russian claims on Ingermanland. I was just offering some suggestions and a possible reason why Paradox decided to remove the CB on it. But as has been mentioned, it probably is for game purposes. And you'd have to ask someone else on the CB on Kexholm question. And just because a few tribes paid tributes to Novgorod doesn't mean the Russian Princes could actually convince anyone to go to war because Sweden suddenly took it over.

 

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Originally posted by Lord xEnderx
Crook, you obviously have alot more knowledge than I of Russian claims on Ingermanland. I was just offering some suggestions and a possible reason why Paradox decided to remove the CB on it. But as has been mentioned, it probably is for game purposes. And you'd have to ask someone else on the CB on Kexholm question. And just because a few tribes paid tributes to Novgorod doesn't mean the Russian Princes could actually convince anyone to go to war because Sweden suddenly took it over.

Well poor Russia has a hard problem dealing with its problems already most of the time so this just worsens it a bit more....

 

[maekh]

Originally posted by Euro-Maniac


Well poor Russia has a hard problem dealing with its problems already most of the time so this just worsens it a bit more....

They seem to manage things very good in my games

 

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Originally posted by maekh


They seem to manage things very good in my games

Ahh I am very unlucky, they usually suck in my games....

 

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Ahh I am very unlucky, they usually suck in my games....

Yeah mine too. They usual expand very well into Russian principites, and Golden Hordes but that is it. Anybody from West could win the war against them easily.

 

[Araanor]

Russia nearly always messes up for me. They would do a lot better if it weren't for Sweden, who have the nasty habit of nicking Novgorod with it's CoT.

 

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Originally posted by Lord xEnderx
Crook, you obviously have alot more knowledge than I of Russian claims on Ingermanland. I was just offering some suggestions and a possible reason why Paradox decided to remove the CB on it. But as has been mentioned, it probably is for game purposes. And you'd have to ask someone else on the CB on Kexholm question. And just because a few tribes paid tributes to Novgorod doesn't mean the Russian Princes could actually convince anyone to go to war because Sweden suddenly took it over.

They did. There were constant border conflicts between Muscovy/Novgorod and Sweden over Karelia and Finland. Those areas were considered Novgorodian possessions.

And BTW there was a Russo-Livonian war in 1200s when Teutons tried to impose their own tribute on baltic tribes and forbade them to send tribute to the Russian Grand Prince. The war was won by Novgorod and the tribute rights were restored. So, yes there was a long-term standing claim to those areas on part of Novgorod/Muscovy/Russia.

 

[BiB]

Weird. Let's ask

 

[AndrewT]

I'll check back in the beta forum to see if anyone knows why this might have been changed.