BUG: FIXED IN 1.06: Courland and Teutonic Order should have Baltic culture in 1419

[sirbruce]

Courland and Teutonic Order should have Baltic culture in 1419 scenario

Both Courland and Tuetonic Order get baltic culture in the 1492 scenario, but not in 1419. Since they have no event that gives them that culture (only Sweden does), I believe this was an oversight. They should both get baltic culture. Otherwise, the only way for Courland to get it is if it forms via revolt rather than naturally.

One could argue for Prussia and Lithuania as well, but that's probably too much.

Bruce

 

[unmerged(5822)]

Does the Teutonic Order have only baltic culture in 1492, or both baltic and german?

What I'd recommend as a "fix" for the problem is to give TO baltic culture if it turns into Courland (i.e. the event "fate of the teutonic order"), and remove german culture at the same time.

 

[sirbruce]

Teutonic Order has both Baltic and German in 1492. Courland has both Baltic and German in 1617.

I think your idea has some merit, but I'm not sure how historically reasonable it is.

Bruce

 

[Araanor]

That's one of a number of discrepancies between 1419 and 1492 scenarios, the main one being large differences in national provinces.

 

[sirbruce]

Perhaps, but I'm not out to argue over the pros and cons of every difference between the two scenarios. Only this one.

Bruce

 

[unmerged(5664)]

Originally posted by Araanor
That's one of a number of discrepancies between 1419 and 1492 scenarios, the main one being large differences in national provinces.

Will some of these difference and discrepancies ever be fixed / reconciled?

 

[AndrewT]

Originally posted by BarristerBoy


Will some of these difference and discrepancies ever be fixed / reconciled?

Only if someone here starts new a thread on it with the facts laid out for me

 

[unmerged(5822)]

Does that mean we'll have to start a discussion over in the Discussions forum, where facts and data are pooled, and then we put a minor essay here explaining why (or why not) change is needed?

 

[AndrewT]

If there is significant stuff to be sorted out first, yes, take it to GD. However no need for an essay here, just a link to the conclusions will do. Thanks all.

 

[Araanor]

Originally posted by AndrewT


Only if someone here starts new a thread on it with the facts laid out for me

Of what I've heard, it's because the 1492 scenario is largely taken from the IGC and the GC is build from the start. For example, Brandenburg starts with all future Prussian core provinces, Golden Horde gets CBs all over their territory and the Ottoman Empire loses a bunch and gains others.

Teutonic Order and Prussia getting baltic culture smells like different persons handled the scenarios.

 

[AndrewT]

So, returning to this thread's topic, are we settled on what needs to be done?

 

[sirbruce]

Originally posted by AndrewT
So, returning to this thread's topic, are we settled on what needs to be done?

Upon further research I agree with something along Onslaught's proposed fix. Leave the Teutonic Order only German, but in the event that transforms them to Courland, give them Baltic culture. I'd let their German culture remain as well, though, since they were both. Of all the baltic states of the time, it seems Courland engaged in the least "germanization" of the local population, and translated the Bible into Latvian, and so on. They don't get an event like Sweden does, but it is entirely reasonable that they'd have baltic culture over time along with german. (Plus, perhaps it gives the player a reason to choose the Courland path!)

Bruce

 

[sirbruce]

So, instead of modifying Teutonic Order's include file, here's the proposed fix in their events files:

#The Fate of the Teutonic Order#
event = {

	id = 3620
	trigger = {
		AND = {
		 	exists = POL
			exists = SWE
			exists = DAN
			exists = RUS 
			}
		NOT = {
			exists = KUR
			}
		}
	random = no
	country = LAT
	name = "EVENTNAME3620"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3620"
	style = 2

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1560 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1562 }

	action_a ={
		name = "ACTIONNAME3620A"	#Polish-Swedish Agreement#
		command = { type = trigger which = 3470 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 3220 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 3290 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 3407 }
		command = { type = removecore which = 276 }
		command = { type = removecore which = 282 }
		command = { type = removecore which = 275 }
		command = { type = removecore which = 281 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SWE value = 276 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = SWE value = 275 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = POL value = 282 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = POL value = 281 }
		command = { type = country which = KUR }
		command = { type = treasury value = 500 }
		command = { type = stability value = 6 }
		command = { type = independence  which = PRU }
		[B]command = { type = add_countryculture which = baltic }[/B]
	}

	action_b ={
		name = "ACTIONNAME3620B"	#Russo-Danish Agreement#
		command = { type = trigger which = 3471 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 3221 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 3291 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 3408 }
		command = { type = removecore which = 276 }
		command = { type = removecore which = 282 }
		command = { type = removecore which = 275 }
		command = { type = removecore which = 281 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 276 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 275 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAN value = 282 }
		command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAN value = 281 }
		command = { type = country which = KUR }
		command = { type = treasury value = 500 }
		command = { type = stability value = 6 }
		command = { type = independence  which = PRU }
		[B]command = { type = add_countryculture which = baltic }[/B]
	}

	action_c ={
		name = "ACTIONNAME3620C"	#Die-Hard Independence#
		command = { type = trigger which = 3472 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 3222 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 3292 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 3409 }
		command = { type = stability value = -3 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -500 }
		command = { type = religion which = catholic }
		command = { type = domestic which = ARISTOCRACY value = 3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = INNOVATIVE value = -3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = SERFDOM value = 3 }
	}

}

 

[unmerged(5822)]

Looks nice, though I'd prefer to have german culture removed as well...

 

[sirbruce]

I just don't think it's realistic to remove German culture since the ruling class is still German. Plus it gives the player a reason to go for Courland as opposed to continuing on as the Teutonic Order.

Bruce

 

[unmerged(5822)]

Hmm... true.
Guess I'll support the change, then.

 

[AndrewT]

Thank you! Fixed .