I agree. There should be something you could do to counter the conversion.Yes, but what does not make sense is that there is no way whatsoever of preventing or even slowing down the spread of this new faith.
Makes the game feel like Observer Mode in this respect. Nothing you can do. Just sit there and wait for it to pass.
Edit: Well I guess theoretically there is one thing you can do to slow it down which is to convert your Culture to a Latin or Iberian one. Theoretically.
Buff Catholicism, Please
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I suggested adding in a range limit to CoR. This would not only prevent centers in Bohemia from converting Italy before they even convert provinces two provinces away, but it would also allow the reformation to much better solidify itself so it can pose a better threat more consistently instead of blobbing everywhere or quickly dying out.
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I like it. But nevertheless there should be some way to counter conversion. Maybe send a missionary, or spend some mil points to pursuit the converters.
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Do you have any idea how outrageously overpowered that would be for the nations that get Papal influence through their ideas and ambitions? A Spanish player can already press that button so many times that their ability to control global trade is unquestioned.
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Calm down, it's just a suggestion. Maybe 2 for 100 if that's truly that unbalanced? 1 for 100 is just as outrageously steep for RotW, and Spain is the exception that proves the rule.
Ummm. Spain gets +2PI per year, meaning they get +1 mercantilism every 50 YEARS. How exactly does that equal "unquestioned control of global trade"? Thats like +8 mercantilism during the entire game.
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with even all points spend i never got to be in lead of the pope for over 200 years all you get is a little bit of tolerance and if your not the choosen ONE nation then well fuck it you get nothn ...
to be fair cath. isnt that bad its just protestantism and reformed is SO MUCH STRONGER that everybody!!! converts even as portugal or spain
Unless you're suggesting that to balance this issue, Spanish NI's must be nerfed, that won't stick.
Revising Spanish NI's could actually work. Merge Devout Catholicism and Spanish Inquisition into +2% Missionary Strength, +1 Yearly PI (for balance), then give them an idea that boosts Infantry Combat Ability to represent the strength of their Tercio. But that's probably a discussion for another time.
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Don't like it. Spain is already a bit OP imo. They even should get a tolerance penalty reflecting the expulsion of muslims and jews from their territory.
One other idea (maybe not that related), historically colonizing nations sent several missionaries to the new world to "spread the true faith". There's nothing in the game that resembles this. Maybe christian nations should be able to set conversion centers in the new world at the expense of MP.
They used to have a tolerance penalty but it was removed a while ago.
No clue.
The idea that gives missionary strength also had -1 heretic, -1 heathen tolerance penalty.
If anything, Spain is underpowered. They beat France senseless for the entire first half of EU4's period, and they get nothing to represent that. The moment France unlocks Elan, they will defeat Spain in almost every battle.
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I believe that's because in the game Spain almost never gets the Netherlands. If you manage to get the Netherlands has Spain, you get a huge upper hand over France.
Or possibly because French Ideas give +20% more Manpower, +30% more Fort Defense (now -20% Fort Maintenance), -10% less Tech cost, and +5% more Land Morale than Spanish NI's, but the Netherlands play a noticeable part too.
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Yes, France is hugely buffed (not sure why), but still a Spain with the Netherlands should send France back to the stone age.
Except that Spain never gets the Netherlands so you point is... pointless.
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Not pointless when the discussion starts with "Spain beat France senseless for the entire first half of EU4's period". I offered an explanation for that. Try read posts in context.
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In reference to actual history, not EU4. Don't talk about taking in context when you take something out of context in the very same post.
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