Buddhist Byzantines

[BiB]

Originally posted by BarristerBoy


BiB,

I did say "the reasoning is sound", didn't I?

So to make it more clear, although I do feel historically there is no reason for not allowing Catholic-Orthodox force conversions, I can fully understand and support the game-balance and game-play reasoning.

Oh - someone called the formation of the Latin Empire as the "formation of a new state", not the force-conversion of the Byzantines. Well, in EU you can't form a new state, so I stick by my example.

BarristerBoy

I know, I was just amplifying the idea with the best example

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Doc
Bib, did this change recently. I read an AAR that had Muscovy forceconverted to Catholic. (I thought it was in your Teutonic Plague AAR, maybe it is in another one.)

That was before it was changed.

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Petrarca

Harsh words from the Committee for Public Safety. So, if I were Venice, I couldn't force-convert Byz or the Greek duchy and try to diplo-annex them? It probably would be more efficient to just lef the Turks take them and then liberate them anyway, but I bemoan my loss of a chance to expand the doge's rule peacefully.

Wait- what is the state religion of Lithuania? If Orthodox, how can Poland diplo-annex them?

Lithuania is catholic. It has quite a few orthodox provs though.

 

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Back home after some tough wars our forces were depleted and concentrated on trading and colonisation while slowly building up again. Lithuania had forceconverted Muscowy to catholic in their war and their forces were back home and they looked strong, too strong for now. Muscowy, however, with their new religion could now declare war withjout stab loss on Novgorod and promptly did so. We could not help but get involved in a game of kick them when they're down

Ok, Bib,
The above is from your splendid Teutonic AAR, so I can sleep at night...was this just in the Beta, or poetic liberty?

Thanks much!

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Doc


Ok, Bib,
The above is from your splendid Teutonic AAR, so I can sleep at night...was this just in the Beta, or poetic liberty?

Thanks much!

In what way ? Obviously it is the beta and that was before the latest patch changes which changed forceconversion.

 

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Originally posted by Idiotboy


What exactly is different religious groups, i mean islam and christianity are basicly based on the same things? We have the same god, mostly same prophets etc.

not the same savior. all christian factions are based on jesus christ, the same common savior.

Islam has prophet muhammad instead. that's a HUGE difference.

also, most christian factions have beliefs based on the same holy book (Bible). Islam has its laws and beliefs based on a different holy book (Koran)

also I think paradox did a good job in categorizing the diffrent religions like islamic group and christian group. shiite was originally seen as a heretical separatist faction of sunni islam much in the same way that protestant lutherans were originally viewed as a heretical separatist faction by the catholic church.... maybe they still are

 

[unmerged(860)]

for that bug (force converting not working like youd want it to)
you can blame BiB.

*testing his universal blame him/her/it answer*

 

[celedhring]

Originally posted by BiB


No, Orthodox is out of that series.

The reason it was taken out was because they couldn't convert back.

I agree forcing a religion up them when having won a war is a nice feature, however if they have no chance to convert back even after beating the crap out of u ...

Well, you could simply allow a force-converted nation to select its former religion in the conversion screen. It could be done in a patch, and ludicrously force-converted nations could switch back to their former, true, religions if they can afford the stab hit.

 

[BiB]

All these so called easy changes! Making a game sounds so easy I believe it to be somewhat more difficult. IF that was possible and that simple don't u think it'd be there

 

[unmerged(5110)]

BiB, lol.

Committee of Public Safety, eh?

You gonna hold a "Terror of the EU forums"?

... or have I said too much?

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by XieChengnuo
BiB, lol.

Committee of Public Safety, eh?

You gonna hold a "Terror of the EU forums"?

... or have I said too much?

'Fraid so High treason, my friend. U know the drill

 

[Solmyr]

Originally posted by BarristerBoy


While the reasoning is sound, it's too bad that you can't force-convert to or from Orthodox. About the only example of force-converting that I at least can think of was the conquest of the Byzantien Empire by the 4th Crusade, and the creation of the Latin Empire. Since in EU terms Byzantium wasn't annexed by anyone, the only EU term for it would be a force-conversion from Orthodoxy to Catholicism.

And yes, I'm well aware this example is well outside even the EU2 time frame...

BarristerBoy

Actually, you could argue that Byzantium was annexed by Flanders (Baldwin of Flanders became the first Latin Emperor). So it's like an EU military annexation - the population of the Byzantine provinces certainly remained Orthodox even though the state religion became Catholic.

 

[Solmyr]

Originally posted by Suleyman

also I think paradox did a good job in categorizing the diffrent religions like islamic group and christian group. shiite was originally seen as a heretical separatist faction of sunni islam much in the same way that protestant lutherans were originally viewed as a heretical separatist faction by the catholic church.... maybe they still are

As far as I know, the Popes never stopped considering Protestants heretics. Therefore by official Catholic doctrine all you Lutherans are heretics Catholics in theory have a better view of Orthodoxy, which is merely "schismatic", not heretic like Protestantism.

 

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Originally posted by Solmyr


As far as I know, the Popes never stopped considering Protestants heretics. Therefore by official Catholic doctrine all you Lutherans are heretics Catholics in theory have a better view of Orthodoxy, which is merely "schismatic", not heretic like Protestantism.

Hmm [adjusts religious sliders for heretics]

 

[Achiles]

From what i've read here it would seem that Orthodox states still can't convert to any other religion and nobody can convert to orthodoxy. I sincerly hope I am mistaken in my assumptions.

I never understand why they put this stupid limitation on orthodox states except to prevent a catholic/protestant/reformed russia or poland from developing and also to keep a orthodox france or spain or portugal or england from developing. If that is the case then it was done for all the wrong reasons and another solution should have been found. I really hope they fixed this in EU2 as it was one of my major gripes.

 

[BiB]

HAsn't changed. Dunno why it should either ... IF anything there should be more limitations

 

[celedhring]

Originally posted by BiB
HAsn't changed. Dunno why it should either ... IF anything there should be more limitations

I don't think there should be any limitations about it, just a dissuasive "face the consequences" effects for some "unnatural" conversions...

 

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does freeing countries improve your relations?

and does a freed country automatically have YOUR state religion?

you see what I am asking?

 

[unmerged(547)]

If you choose to free a vassal, how does the vassal determine state religion. For example, as Catholic Hungary, I push into Lithuania and nail a few Orthodox lands. If I create a vassal, will it be Catholic (as me) or Orthodox same as the provinces?

 

[Dark Knight]

The vassal should take on the religion of its capital. Of course, if you use missionaries to convert its capital...