For seekers after the truth, and also for those worried about the new conversion engine:
St Ioasaphat
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You can't convert nations between different religious groups.
I've heard this story before; rather amusing...
I've heard this story before; rather amusing...
More's the pity. But the Byzantines were originally Buddhist (or something like that) as was incontrovertibly proved by this learned article.
I thought I read and AAR where Turkey force-converted Byzantium to Islam. Perhaps you can only do it with force, or perhaps it got fixed by a patch so cross-convertions are not allowed at all.
Originally posted by BiB
It got changed in a patch. I bugged them enough about it
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, forcing conversion a monarch to the "enemy" religion was a very often used way to humiliate and disistabilize an enemy nation. I agree it was more often used in the Middle Ages, however. But I laughed hard seeing how the basileus of Byzantium was forced to convert to Islam.Well, just one more question: can you convert from Catholic/Protestant/Calvinist to Orthodox and viceversa?
What exactly is different religious groups, i mean islam and christianity are basicly based on the same things? We have the same god, mostly same prophets etc. The christianity-islam collision have been kinda common in history so it should be possible to cross-convert.
Originally posted by celedhring
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Well, just one more question: can you convert from Catholic/Protestant/Calvinist to Orthodox and viceversa?
No, Orthodox is out of that series.
The reason it was taken out was because they couldn't convert back.
I agree forcing a religion up them when having won a war is a nice feature, however if they have no chance to convert back even after beating the crap out of u ...
I can't seem to recall an example of the Orthadox Russians force converting a conquored people. They essentially resettled all the lands they won by force and the cultural/religious conversions followed with time.
Force conversion is only inside a religion, between denominations. Christianity and Islam, specifically Catholicism and Sunnism, have radically different implications for their followers (not to mention beliefs) that I would get into if I weren't running late.
While the reasoning is sound, it's too bad that you can't force-convert to or from Orthodox. About the only example of force-converting that I at least can think of was the conquest of the Byzantien Empire by the 4th Crusade, and the creation of the Latin Empire. Since in EU terms Byzantium wasn't annexed by anyone, the only EU term for it would be a force-conversion from Orthodoxy to Catholicism.
And yes, I'm well aware this example is well outside even the EU2 time frame...
BarristerBoy
Originally posted by BiB
It got changed in a patch. I bugged them enough about it
so i cant make spain an the pope muslims and/or pagans?
This was basically the creation of a new state, so it doesn't count as a force-convert.
Put that opposite a catholic Russia from 1425 till 1821 and the decision is easily made ...
Originally posted by Lars
so i cant make spain an the pope muslims and/or pagans?
Nope. Unless u annex them and have that state religion.
Just musing....can Orthodox force convert all Christian religions? Could Russia force convert Sweden ( ) or the Poles?
) or the Poles?
Bib, did this change recently. I read an AAR that had Muscovy forceconverted to Catholic. (I thought it was in your Teutonic Plague AAR, maybe it is in another one.)
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BiB,
I did say "the reasoning is sound", didn't I?
So to make it more clear, although I do feel historically there is no reason for not allowing Catholic-Orthodox force conversions, I can fully understand and support the game-balance and game-play reasoning.
Oh - someone called the formation of the Latin Empire as the "formation of a new state", not the force-conversion of the Byzantines. Well, in EU you can't form a new state, so I stick by my example.
BarristerBoy
Harsh words from the Committee for Public Safety. So, if I were Venice, I couldn't force-convert Byz or the Greek duchy and try to diplo-annex them? It probably would be more efficient to just lef the Turks take them and then liberate them anyway, but I bemoan my loss of a chance to expand the doge's rule peacefully.
Wait- what is the state religion of Lithuania? If Orthodox, how can Poland diplo-annex them?