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Play Engineering-1 (Jury Rigged)

Let's make the difficulty more manageable, has anyone been counting destiny to know are they favorable or unfavorable? (I don't think destiny has been reshuffled since the beginning of the game)
 

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Btw, can anyone show me what tools the GM use for BSG? Is there anyone interested in a BSG game going to Ionian Nebula instead of Kobol or New Caprica? If there is enough interest I might host one going to Ionian Nebula if I can figure out what GM uses to run their BSG games :p
 

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We use deck manager, and there was a link to it in the first post but it appears to have been eaten by something....

You can get a copy on the something awful fourms, or send me a pm with your email and I can email the one I am using (without the current game file :) ) and it handles the most of the cards and all crisis. You need to do loyalty cards by hand as well as maintain the board. I personally do that all in Notepad++, but you can do it in whatever you feel like.
 

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These are not exactly my colors. I can do 1 weak but that's about it.

Although if we are feeling lucky we could roll the dice via Trust Instincts. Jacob, since it is you who is going to the brig if we fail this I'll leave that decision up to you.
 

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Not feeling too lucky. :p


Just fyi if I go to the brig someone else is admiral, calculate that in for if you trust me or not over others at this point.;)
 

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How much can you do yourself? Due to a fairly obvious reason I do want you to stay out of the brig.
 

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Not much sadly. Probably tossing 3 weak and 2 are better played than used in a check though it isn't an issue of me using a vital repair so it isn't crippling using them in a check. If I didn't have to put that strong in a check or so ago I would be in good shape now. Sabotage by others or bad DD could sink this check easily it is looking like.
 

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I don't believe the sabotage will be that much points-wise even if Kiwi still has to play. With jury rigged we have to get to 8 points for + 1 morale and keeping you out of brig which I believe is a very worthwhile trade.

In this case the DD should be slightly positive and it seems we'll need any help we can get.

add 2 weaks

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I might also as well point out that the sabotage from our second toaster already has happened.

4. glasszon : President Tory Foster [10+5Q]

Tory Foster (Politics/3, Leadership/1, Tactics/1) Setup: (Press Room)

CRISIS: Joe's Bar
Skill check: POL/LEA/ENG = 12

glasszon said:
Play Engineering-1 (Jury Rigged)
1 Weak card

I assume that it is either a Broadcast Location or By Your Command that he drew when we got TRE cards. That is also the likely reason why he made the check reckless.
 

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I might also as well point out that the sabotage from our second toaster already has happened.

4. glasszon : President Tory Foster [10+5Q]

Tory Foster (Politics/3, Leadership/1, Tactics/1) Setup: (Press Room)

CRISIS: Joe's Bar
Skill check: POL/LEA/ENG = 12



I assume that it is either a Broadcast Location or By Your Command that he drew when we got TRE cards. That is also the likely reason why he made the check reckless.

You sure are quick to point the finger at me, I have done absolutely nothing post sleeper phase beside this skill test and now you claim I am a cylon before the skill check is even over? Either you are just over-anxious as a Human or it was a deliberate ploy by you as a cylon as now you just added in the treachery card to frame me. (Note I am not saying either way yet on this one, I rather not sow distrust among Humans without further evidence because we are in an excellent position right now and we don't need to mess up by pointing fingers at each other).

There is no perfect way to proof I am a Human, but consider the following points:
1: Jury Rigged is the best card I could have played in that situation, sure I could have put it in the check but (1) it lowers the difficulty by 4 and (2) everyone know the difficulty decreased by 4, hopefully that will deter the other cylons from considering spiking it. Of course the debate TNT is making is whether the trade-off is worth it since it makes the check reckless, I guess we will found out at the end of this skill check, but either way I hope that will give us more information as to who the potential hidden cylon might be.
2: If I am really a cylon, why would I have bothered playing first into this skill check when I am not the first player and turn order was not enforced? I could have just waited back until JL have played into the skill check and I would be free to sabotage as much as needed to make this skill check fail. (Even if JL won't play until everyone else have played into the skill check I could still get more information by waiting on King and TNT)
2b: If I am a cylon, then I can certainly spiked with more than 1 card, combine that with point 2 and I think my best play as a cylon would have been to play as late as possible and then spike into this check.
3: I only draw 1 Leadership each turn, do you expect me to put in 3 leadership cards into this check?
4: I told you guys before sleeper phase (if that matters) I can do further repairs, so that's why you won't see me contributing in 2 engineering either since it is vital to keep repair cards for repair.
5: Some of my politics card is better used for its text abilities and some is just downright stupid to put into a check without good reasons (red tape anyone?)
(I really wish I could just state what color I played into this skill check, but secrecy rules forbid that so I have to be vague on the last few points. GM: Please let me know if I have revealed too much information and I shall edit accordingly)
6: With Admiral sitting on full hands, I really thought he could handle this check by himself easily and was wondering why he looks so sad when that crisis popped up. I forgot to consider he did put in a leadership card back in another skill check and it was kind of replaced by the treachery card, so he really have 3 LEA, 6 TAC and 1 TRE instead of 4 LEA and 6 TAC when I thought he have when I made my play. (Not the first time I screwed up counting, like asking whether the Admiral have an XO when he have no cards in hand a while ago....)
7: I also wanted to get a bit more information on the Admiral since he holds 3 loyalty cards, with us being in such strong position the only person that can single-handedly swing the game in Cylon's favor is the admiral with his nukes and choosing destinations (there is a reason why Kiwi passed the extra loyalty card to our Admiral).
8: Saying someone is a cylon for one play you might not agree with is just going too far.

But having said all that, let's see how this skill check go first. Now that you have pointed it out to everyone, I suspect Kiwi and/or the other hidden Cylon would definitely put in Broadcast Location or By Your Command if they have them since they just now got a nice easy scapegoat, let's hope neither of them have that treachery card and I can prove myself clean 100%.
 
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Well, thanks for not allaying my doubts. With 10 cards in the hand of which probably 9 are good for the check, you have only 1 weak you care to share (OK 2 with jury rigged but that one has also a drawback for us humans)? And all POL cards are either too valuable (really, for use on one of the few crisis that actually gains a resource) or useless? And the one card you play is added before any discussion can get going?

But having said that, I agree that we can leave the discussion until the check is resolved. For me this certainly looks like very cylon-ish play.
 

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Just a reminder, as it appears that everyone has more or less chimed in, yet not played cards. I will be autoresolving everyone that has not played cards in about 3 hours(the 24 hour deadline) to 0 cards. If you need to talk to people first or want to play based on what someone else does, let me know as soon as possible. You can PM me plays based on whatever you can know before your turn to play, and I will resolve it and post based on what you say, when it becomes time for it. I been letting it go for now, but if you need more time to talk, I would rather people start asking for it rather then just make several posts without really commiting to a play.

There is a rule that says quite clearly that we have a 24 hour time limit after all. I am willing to wave it now and then, but only if people are asking for more time to talk things over.
 

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Seriously??? dude.....


:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:
 

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Seriously??? dude.....


:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

The rules have always said a 24 hour deadline, and when everyone is going all wishish washy about what they are doing, saying that they are thinking about not going to play cards in it but not committing in any way it just slows things down. I be a lot more willing to let it drag on if you did not have several posts in between the crisis and now. Kiwi has sent me several pms during that time as well asking to clarify rules on some things, so I know he has also been around and just waiting. So everyone clearly had the chance in the last 24 hours to make a play.
 

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The fact that you rushed an obviously vital check while we were clearly talking and figuring out what to play (with the last player to play if it was an ordered turn not playing yet) is disgraceful. I am done here, sub me out. I am very disappointed in you EL. That is simply not how a GM operates. :blink:
 

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The fact that you rushed an obviously vital check while we were clearly talking and figuring out what to play (with the last player to play if it was an ordered turn not playing yet) is disgraceful. I am done here, sub me out. I am very disappointed in you EL. That is simply not how a GM operates. :blink:

What would you have had me do? I been watching this and well people have said some things, I have seen nothing from them that they are waiting on other players to make plays. The rules are quite clear, and I would be more willing to let people have more time if they had said something directly about it.
 

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Last thing I posted said I was nearing a play but needed more input from others, I had not posted since that. You didn't even wait 3-4 hours until it was evening US time. It wasn't like we were dangerously slow or at a mostly pointless check or even had simply farted about doing nothing. There is a clear conversation that was taking placed but was unable to always be responded to within 30-60 minutes. There was no reason to not wait at least until evening US time knowing the guy who would both go to the brig and lose the admiral title was in the US. But anyways I don't want this to be a big back and forth. I am done and posted my view.