Transferring patriots overseas to England would not be the cheapest thing ever, probably something reserved for leaders of some significance.
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No, they just parked them in boston or new york harbor with a few hundred prisoners on board.
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Far more Americans died in prison hulks than died in battle.
The Brits were real class acts. Oh wait, I mean awful people.
http://longislandgenealogy.com/prison.html
Unlike the Americans who certainly did not take retribution against the loyalist population in ways that would be considered a war crime by the modern world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Loyalists
Yes. Unlike the Americans, the Brits presided over the death 13,000 men in prison hulks.
Saying "Loyalists - some of you GTFO" isn't even remotely comparable. Unless it's the horrific penalty of being forced to New Brunswick. Which remains the most boring part of Canada because the losers settled it. (NEW BRUNSWICK DIG ALERT!)
Saying "Loyalists - some of you GTFO" isn't even remotely comparable. Unless it's the horrific penalty of being forced to New Brunswick. Which remains the most boring part of Canada because the losers settled it. (NEW BRUNSWICK DIG ALERT!)
The author of that article has an odd way of writing for a historian. From the cadence of his sentences I thought this was going to be something from the 1890s or possibly 1920s. . . then I see it is from 1976.
I'm not commenting on the content, just thought his style was odd enough to point out.
Yes and Elmira Prison and Andersonville were health resorts. Discussing history is one thing, mindless nationalism is another.
it's not mindless nationalism to point out awful things that happened.
mindless nationalism would be USA #1 ENGLAND #FARTS
Perhaps you don't know that Transportation to the American colonies was a common punishment in the 17th/18th centuries. I don't know why it's only Australians who have the reputation of being descended from convicts.
Yes, that would certainly qualify, as would ...
... wouldn't it? Particularly if your own people were guilty of the same thing, or worse, in the next century.
not really.
the original digression came from the statement that the colonials were lucky they won the war and did it 20 years before the brits started shipping people to australia.
to me, being in australia is much better than dying of typhus in a prison hulk moored in new york harbor.
what was done was objectively awful. just like the confederates doing just about anything.
also, ENGLAND #FARTS.
Yes, really. A person from a civilised country would simply apologise.
Wasn't Elmira Prison a Union POW facility? Camp Douglas (Chicago) was just as bad.
There is a big difference in the level of neglect that results in 25% of prisoners dying in an era without good medicine and 75% of prisoners dying in an era without good medicine.
You may have a point. I don't know what the British could have done about it, in practical terms. Prison hulks were terrible places, whether they were moored in England or America -and they were notoriously bad for the spread of disease. I suppose the problem is that there's no way to separate the sick and the healthy. This is obviously dreadful, but I'm not sure that it's helpful to say that therefore the British were terrible people. That's the only thing I'm taking issue with - and even then, not terribly seriously.
Could they? I don't know if there was a practical alternative, do you? You can say it would have been better to have built prison camps, but I don't think we can say that it was possible to do so - in terms of location, materials, manpower etc.
Please understand that I'm saying I don't know - and I don't think you do either - so there's no point arguing about it.
I suppose they could have been released on parole, but that's not exactly practical - we're talking about traitors, don't forget - insurgents, if you prefer.
If you can call a soldier from the continental army an insurgent then the Redcoats were pirates and should have been hung after Yorktown and Saratoga. The Union made extensive use of parole when they themselves were facing a rebellion four score and seven years later.