British Culture Group

[Xionsi]

While I understand for game related reasons why Scottish is a culture adjacent to English, were Scots historically more suiting to be in the Celtic culture group?

Could mere intolerance under Great Britain/England possibly postpone or deter an early English steam roll and coring of Scotland (by 1500) that happens most of the time?

 

[Confederate72]

PUing Scotland as England shouldn't be a crazy chore. There's a mission for it, but if they're not high relations, it won't happen. England should PU Scotland and form Britain in all my games, in order to prepare strategy for dealing with unified Britain with English culture each game. It would be weird to have a Scottish King ruling over England, after all. Higher relations will also slightly decrease the chance of England conquesting Scotland rather than PUing. Of course, I don't mind if England conquests Scotland half (or even most) of the time. Just as long as it becomes Britain before the Napoleonic Wars.

 

[Zanko Hale]

Historically the Lowlanders had more in common with their southern English brethren culturally than the Highlander Clans. Earlier iterations of the EU series had Scotland divided between Highland Scottish(Celtic) and Lowland Scottish(British) but due to the way culture works in this game - single primary and accepted based on tax percentage - resulted in a weaker Scotland than it currently is.
The decision to place Scotland in the British group appears to reflect the fact that the Lowlanders, including the King, were closer to the Normanized England than the Clans culturally.

Bonus also being that Scotland doesn't experience any tax malus in what is, in game terms, extremely low base tax provinces in the highlands.

 

[Xionsi]

Historically the Lowlanders had more in common with their southern English brethren culturally than the Highlander Clans. Earlier iterations of the EU series had Scotland divided between Highland Scottish(Celtic) and Lowland Scottish(British) but due to the way culture works in this game - single primary and accepted based on tax percentage - resulted in a weaker Scotland than it currently is.
The decision to place Scotland in the British group appears to reflect the fact that the Lowlanders, including the King, were closer to the Normanized England than the Clans culturally.

Bonus also being that Scotland doesn't experience any tax malus in what is, in game terms, extremely low base tax provinces in the highlands.

Thanks for the information, makes sense now!

 

[quinntan2222]

Why would Scotland be weaker with highland culture as accepted with lowland culture as their primary? If highlander is accepted, aren't the tax penalties and such cancelled out? Also, by having highlander, it would probably be unaccepted in Great Britain so revolts could happen in the Highlands, which happened a bit historically.

 

[Zanko Hale]

Why would Scotland be weaker with highland culture as accepted with lowland culture as their primary? If highlander is accepted, aren't the tax penalties and such cancelled out? Also, by having highlander, it would probably be unaccepted in Great Britain so revolts could happen in the Highlands, which happened a bit historically.

The lowlands in game total 19 Base Tax, the Highlands total 3 - so 19% of Scotland's Tax base. Now that's fine as accepted cultures can be added and retained as long as the percentage remains over 10%.

The next problem - Scotland, Primary Culture Lowland Scottish, would receive Highlander Scots Rebels whenever things got rough - correct given the Clan structure? Maybe. Disastrous to the AI if it's attacked whilst attempting to smack down the same Highlanders that would generally rise to defend it during defensive wars. This is what happened in EU3 and led to the merger into "Scottish"

 

[unmerged(815621)]

It would be weird to have a Scottish King ruling over England, after all.

Hate to tell you but King James was Scottish and led the union of the crowns.

Unfortunately, PUs in game to not allow switching of countries, so there is no way to correctly model that a Scottish King was the head of the Union while the England remained the seat of power.