Bring back blocking allies for negotiating for us

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I was fighting france and the war score was horrible (big surprise) from battles. However, I was wearing them down. Their manpower reserves were gone and armies were getting smaller.

Then.. my ally signed peace and gave away one ofmy most valuable provinces. I was going to WIN the war. I needed a bit more time to turn it around but it was going to be allright. It always ways. IN fact we were sieging many of their provinces.


Give us back the ability to block allies signing peace for us! I dont want to recieve random enemy provinces nor to give my own away.
 

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But you'll be fine letting you yourself do the same to the AI, right?
 

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I had ONE province taken and I had a massive empire. I could have EASILY kept fighting. It was my allies that had a few provinces taken.

Also.. I have gained wierd provinces before when the allies lead negotiations. Provinces I sieged but had no intreast in. I should have some choice on if provinces are added or taken away. I can hardly see england going into negotiations and being told "So your going to be given pisa and well.. we wont give you a choice about it"

If it comes down to it, let them give away their own provinces. I wanted to keep fighting and I would have won the war. Let them quit out i wasn't close to done. My war exhaustion was like 1 and as I said I had plenty of reserves.
 

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I had ONE province taken and I had a massive empire. I could have EASILY kept fighting. It was my allies that had a few provinces taken.

Also.. I have gained wierd provinces before when the allies lead negotiations. Provinces I sieged but had no intreast in. I should have some choice on if provinces are added or taken away. I can hardly see england going into negotiations and being told "So your going to be given pisa and well.. we wont give you a choice about it"

If it comes down to it, let them give away their own provinces. I wanted to keep fighting and I would have won the war. Let them quit out i wasn't close to done. My war exhaustion was like 1 and as I said I had plenty of reserves.

As a note.. my army was larger than frances as well.

However this does not answer the following valid question:

But you'll be fine letting you yourself do the same to the AI, right?
 

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I was fighting france and the war score was horrible (big surprise) from battles. However, I was wearing them down. Their manpower reserves were gone and armies were getting smaller.

Then.. my ally signed peace and gave away one ofmy most valuable provinces. I was going to WIN the war. I needed a bit more time to turn it around but it was going to be allright. It always ways. IN fact we were sieging many of their provinces.


Give us back the ability to block allies signing peace for us! I dont want to recieve random enemy provinces nor to give my own away.
Don`t get AI alliances then. Alliances should have drawbacks, and the negotiations work both ways, you have the option to decide for AI if you`re war leader. They get to decide if they are.

I don`t mind having an option to block receiving provinces in peace deal, that would make sense. Blocking giving up of provinces should not be an option.
I don't lose wars.
So you have no problem either way :rolleyes:
 

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What he said.

Seriously I haven't given away land before. There should be an option to refuse to accept negotiations like that. It should pop up and ask you to accept it. IF you refuse then you should be able to fight on, perhaps with a stab or war exhaustion hit. No nation that thinks it can fight on should have to give up land because a two pronvince minor has one province taken.
 

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The option to not take random provinces is already in the game. Transfer the siege to war leader. Keeping the province tells the ai that you have an interest in it.

A bit of bad luck, but things to note.
If you are large, then the 2PM won't peace out like that unless the war had been going for 5 years, because France would not have enough war score.
Don't let your ally's or more importantly your own provinces get sieged.
 

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Am I the only one who has never received provinces when my ally negotiated? Honestly there have been times that I took their entire country (100% warscore) and my ally would rather white peace then give me anything.
 

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What he said.

Seriously I haven't given away land before. There should be an option to refuse to accept negotiations like that. It should pop up and ask you to accept it. IF you refuse then you should be able to fight on, perhaps with a stab or war exhaustion hit. No nation that thinks it can fight on should have to give up land because a two pronvince minor has one province taken.

Getting an option like that would be nice and realistic, as long as the AI gets to do the same as well.
 

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No, please, don't bring back this. Your logic is flawed. If you're in a war, you should prioritize on defending your provinces.

You want good logic then? Here:

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- It is now possible to transfer control of a province to someone you are allied with in a war

Prior to patch 1.8, you could dictate whether the AI gives you land or avoid taking land that would create anger with the AI war leader (or someone else). However, the ability to block that is gone now, which has a small but material impact on wars as you can't safely siege out land you don't want without paid content. To a degree, the paid content replaces previous agency, but that agency is stripped unless you get the DLC.

This is a particular problem if you're sieging out a non-warleader opponent, because you can't separate peace them and the AI can give you whatever the heck it wants, but if you don't siege it out then it will build and consolidate more units, substantially bleeding manpower and war exhaustion you might not have to spare.

The option to not take random provinces is already in the game. Transfer the siege to war leader. Keeping the province tells the ai that you have an interest in it.

It's not good to assume everyone has every DLC. If that's an option, then yes you use it. I haven't touched the DLC because patch 1.8 doesn't work, and it's vexing to hear the (substantiated) suggestion that the DLC *might* solve said performance issues, but as a result slogging through the first 50 years a couple times before getting tired of it I've already encountered problems.

The game should work with mechanics on its own merits without DLC.

Don`t get AI alliances then. Alliances should have drawbacks, and the negotiations work both ways, you have the option to decide for AI if you`re war leader. They get to decide if they are.

The concept of "war leader" is idiotic in the first place and having it be the only negotiation method used isn't exactly historical, especially when it ends in a "screw you" peace deal that prevents an ally from forcing gains of his own (possibly/preferentially through separate peace). That design isn't good for the player or the AI.
 

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Am I the only one who has never received provinces when my ally negotiated? Honestly there have been times that I took their entire country (100% warscore) and my ally would rather white peace then give me anything.

the AI are generally ungrateful friends. even if you join their wars and help them win, they will never be grateful and will never reward you in any way. that is why i avoid AI allies like the plague.
 

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Am I the only one who has never received provinces when my ally negotiated? Honestly there have been times that I took their entire country (100% warscore) and my ally would rather white peace then give me anything.

If you occupy the war goal they almost 100% of the time would white peace out (at least in 1.7). If their trust level is high they'll tend to give you a lot. Especially if you turn provinces you don't want over to their control.
 

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Seriously with the new patch unless you BUY the next expansion you can get screwed over for helping an ally in war and sieging enemy provinces. Also.. I have helped people when called to battle as the holy roman empire. Kicked the enemies ass and got 100% warscore. What happened? They white peaced out, I got nothing, and didn't even get imperial authority.
 

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If you occupy the war goal they almost 100% of the time would white peace out (at least in 1.7). If their trust level is high they'll tend to give you a lot. Especially if you turn provinces you don't want over to their control.

Occupying cores and claims on nations that aren't the AI war leader carries a large likelihood for you to get stuff. Directly on the WL can work too if you can get enough personal WS via occupation fast enough.
 

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So far (since 1.8) it's happened exactly once that I've wanted stuff from a war I wasn't the leader in.
It was pretty much like TMIT said, I had claims on two provinces that belonged to some far-off nation at the periphery of the war. I sieged that nation down and transferred control of the other provinces, and sure enough I was given the two I had claims on.

But yeah, I'm not a fan of removing core features and replacing them with a DLC feature, even if in this instance I like the way the new feature works.