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Lord Vangeel enters, orders a Duvel, from Belgium and starts talking all people inside about the benefits of the Monarchy...

I believe that both history and contemporary experience prove that Monarchy has been, is, and will continue to be of inestimable value in establishing and maintaining stability, welfare and dignity of all countries. In Spain, for example, the restoration of the Monarchy ensured a tranquil transition to democracy, and the people of many other countries see a return to Constitutional Monarchy as their way forward to establishing the free society that has been denied under extreme regimes of the Left or Right. The world’s most stable nations are Monarchies. The constancy and political impartiality inherent in a soundly based Monarchy secures for its people freedom from civil or military dictatorship and ensures a genuine concern for the welfare of the entire community.

A monarch stands above politics, not owing allegiance to any political party or group, and not beholden to any business interest which might fund a presidential campaign. A monarch is able to unite a nation by representing all races, creeds, classes and political beliefs, because a monarch does not have to curry favour for votes from any section of the community.

A monarch is invariably more widely popular than an Executive President, who can be elected by less than 50% of the electorate and may therefore represent less than half of the people. Elected presidents are concerned more with their own political futures and power. Monarchs are not subject to the influences which corrupt short-term presidents. A monarch looks back on centuries of history and forward to the well-being of the entire nation under his heir.

By retaining certain constitutional powers, or at least denying them to others, a monarch is the safeguard against civil or military dictatorship. Sir Winston Churchill said that had the Kaiser still been German Head of State after 1918, Hitler could not have come to power, or at least not remained there. In Italy, when in 1943 he had the opportunity to do so, King Victor Emmanuel removed Mussolini from office. Romania’s King Michael dismissed the dictator Antonescu and transferred his country from Axis to the Allies, for which he was decorated by the Great Powers, and in Bulgaria King Boris III (although obliged to enter the war on the side of the Axis), bravely refused to persecute Bulgarian Jews and would not commit his forces outside his country’s borders. As we have seen in Spain and Thailand, monarchs have succeeded in defending democracy against the threat of permanent military take-over.

Even Royal Families which are not reigning are dedicated to the service of their people, and continue to be regarded as the symbol of the nation. Prominent examples are H.R.H. the Duke of Braganza in Portugal and H.R.H. the Count of Paris in France. Royal Families forced to live in exile are often promoters of charities formed to help their countries.

Then, he looks up to see if anyone is still listening...
 

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May I say that Duque de braganza is more like a clown that a king!!!


And why should some one that never prove him self to be the leader of a nation
 

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Well... I don't really agree on the clown-thing... but as a Monarch would only be a figurehead, I don't see why a clown couldn't be a King. A more... interesting King perhaps, but, a symbol of the Nation. And if he really behaves like a clown, then we can always replace him...
 

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Rev. Jack Teano can't help but get into the discussion...

"They can replace him? Isn't a fundamental premise of a monarchy that power is passed through heredity, not that people can pick and choose?

I am extremely concerned by this growing monarchist movement.

Perhaps in extreme cases of some unstable nations a monarchy has benecial, but Eutopia meets none of those critiera. It is is not a dictatorship, it is a stable, free society. Nor is it extremist, to neither the political left nor political right.

It STRONGLY disagree with your statement that the most stable nation of the world are monarchies. The most powerful nations of the world, and the stablest, have long given up such pretentious trappings.

Constancy, impartiallity, all of the benefits you attribute to a monarch are true only on an individual by individual basis. A Monarch can clearly be unstable, impartial, extremist, etc. That is why it is better to have a government that spreads power over several people and why it is better to have government that is elected by the people, so that bad leaders can be removed.

A Monarch, chosen from one particular family of one particular ethnicity and culture is NOT able to unite all races, creeds, classes and political beliefs especially in the Eutopian case of artificially installing a monarch. Why would people automatically pledge loyalty and give up their authority to some arbitrary individual who they feel may have nothing in common with them?

If Monarchs are invariably more popular than elected president's, kindly explain the American Revolution, French Revolution, and Russian Revolution.

You make these claims about monarchs being so wise and above partisan politics and special interests? What possible justification can you give for this? Througout time monarchs have played factions against each other trying to strenghten their rule and put down political enemies.

You claim that by retaining certain constitutional powers, or at least denying them to others, a monarch is the safeguard against civil or military dictatorship. What is to then prevent the monarch from becoming a dictator? If you claim it is because they are a figurehead, then how can they safeguard the public against dictatorship? If you claim because their powers are limited by the constitution, this presumes the consitution cannot be overridden, and if it cannot then there is not threat of a dictatorship for them to protect us from.

You point to example from world war II and claim that the Italian King removed Mussolini from office in 1943. Where was the Italian king in all the years leading up to this action, which I question, since Mussolini held on to power until the Allies landed in Italy? In fact, Mussolini overpowered Vittorio Emmanuel, sent the royal army off to fight in Africa and established his own military rule with loyal partisan troops. The king was nothing more than a prisoner or a puppet during this time. Not really a great asset to the people. In fact, Mussolini was able to bully the king into consenting to Il Duce's rule, thereby giving himself more legitimacy.

The good works you ascribe to many monarchs are notable, but remember that these are families that have grown rich at the expense of their people. Living subsidized lifes with family money going back for generations, all taken from the people. It is only right that they give back, and while I appreciate their charity I think it is no more honorable than the poor widow the meager bit she has to help others.

I think that fundamentally, a monarchy goes against the very natural rights of man, that all men are created equal and should have equal opportunities to make themselves great based upon their deeds and their actions, not based on an arbitrary hereditary pedigree.

I will fight any attempt to take away the rights of Eutopian citizens by arbitrarily elevating one citizen or family over another.

Who's with me? "

Rev. Teano then orders himself a tall cold one, to help lower his blood pressure.
 

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when I say that he is a clown is because he is really a clown I fI was portuguese and he became King I would probably change my nationality to Spanish ( okay not spanish but still... )


I know that he his a CLOWN
 

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If the Monarch behaves badly, Parliament can issue a referendum on the Monarchy.
People can then vote for the deposing of the Monarch, or against it. If they vote against, his heir, or perhaps even another family will be the new Monarch.
Such a thing was done in Belgium in 1950, and you see, Belgium is now one of the four most prosperous Nations on earth!

And as for the most stable nations on earth being Monarchies... well, the UN does this research every year, HDI, on which countries are most prosperous... I think I have the list right here ... somewhere...

*gets a sheet of paper out of his bag*

here it is:

pict_united_nations.gif


Aha! May Monarchy prevail!
 

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IF you will gonna call Duarte PIO magesty you will call me the same thing ( I Killed Kenny the magesty )


Did you every saw him?? and had you ever lisen to what he says???
 

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Captain Tulp's getting a little tipsy.
LONG LIVE THE KING!!!!!!! ahem...
HMS sounds much cooler then ENS! Discussion closed.

Bartender! Ten beers please.
*gets his 10 beers* *starts to drink the beer really fast*
Bartender:Why do you drink so fast?
Captain Tulp: I only have money for 1 beer.
 

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Originally posted by Jools
Bummer, unemployed again. Gonna drink till I get knocked out.

Unemployed Minister Jools. Good thing we have welfare, then, no?:)
 

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No I never talked with him privatlly. BUT I LISSEN MANY TIMES IN THE TV.


LONG LIVE THE KING ( IF HE DON'T RULE :D :D :D :D :D :D )
 

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Sho, Murmey, whass happening wev the minishta for heratige n soshal effers?

Annudda fa me, and get one for murmey ova here, k? Shanks...
 

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Originally posted by Josephus I
Unemployed Minister Jools. Good thing we have welfare, then, no?:)

Ssshay, maybeeee yor right??? Mebbe thith wulfar ting aint haf dat bad aftttte ^HIC^... knockout
 

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Jools, a word of advice....you should lay off the booze when you're on Prozac, my friend.:)
 

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Originally posted by Jools
Ssshay, maybeeee yor right??? Mebbe thith wulfar ting aint haf dat bad aftttte ^HIC^... knockout

(Former Minister is carried gently by the bouncers to the "recovery area", the deck behind the bar where he can recover in peace, but also not stain anything should things take an unfortunate turn.)

- The Management