"Breaking truce" penalty for DOWing when I have no truce?

[Liwei]

I'm kind of confused here. My truce with Aragon has expired, and I want to attack them. They are allied with France and Portugal (both of whom I have truces with), as well as the Papal State which is an OPM in Gelre (who I can't declare on directly because of the Proclaim Erbkaisertum imperial reform, but this hasn't prevented me from declaring on allies of HRE members so far). But when I go to declare war on Aragon, it says I'll suffer a -3 stability penalty for breaking the truce. This has already happened to me once this game, when I declared war on Hungary to form a personal union after our truce had expired, while fighting a separate war involving two Hungarian allies.

Is it because I have a truce with Aragon's allies? Is it because I tried vassalizing them diplomatically, then changed my mind and revoked my guarantee? I never saw a truce pop up when that happened, even though the tooltip says revoking a guarantee produces a truce. Could there just be an invisible truce that's not showing up?

 

[Rey]

If you had a truce that expired, the penalty only goes away at the end of the month.

 

[Path]

It's because you guaranteed them. The truce is unilateral which is presumably why it doesn't show up, so like most problems with the UI you'll just have to learn them by heart.

 

[Liwei]

Aha, you're right. The truce in the war screen window expired, but in my diplomatic screen it says I still have a truce, so I'll have to wait a few months before I can start the war. Thanks!

 

[wergy]

Keep in mind as well that if you guarantee them, you'll get a truce which stats from the point when you revoke the guarantee.