Breaking news on 1.4 / CoP: new learnings and initial gameplay discussion

[Strangedane]

am i the only one an bit dissappointed with the hordes going to be protectorates of russia? while the earlier situation certainly wasnt optimal, having to spend an gazillion amount of ADM to core all those lands will ahve you lag gigantically, and with russia being eastern, thats going to leave an huge gap with western europe even if you westernise.

the problem IMO wasnt that russia got free cores, but more the fact that the hordes just rolled over and died when presented with any somewhat modern force in any significant numbers. the timurids and potentially other large hordes took an war or two more to take out, but in my games as muscovy mopping up the hordes was an piece of cake limited only by truces. better solution would have been to make the hordes decline somewhat slower so while they certainly wouldnt be expanding into europe any soon, muscovy and any other competitors for their lands would have to fight an bit harder for eveyr inch of land.

Have anybody actually tested this yet, because depending on how the math is done they might actually be able to vassalise them.

Russia base 120%
Horde Base 175%

That's actually only a relative difference of 45-ish %

 

[donmolu]

So, in patch notes it says that you can start as Portugal and then switch to Brazil. Is it done via interface (like in Victoria 2), decision, or simply saving and then loading as a colonial nation?

 

[hwoosh]

One immediate impression: The AI now is going absolutely wild with embargoes on its rivals.

 

[Novacat]

Russia base 120%
Horde Base 175%

That's actually only a relative difference of 45-ish %

Check your math, the difference is 55%...

 

[grumphie]

Check your math, the difference is 55%...

i think he means the relative diffrence is only 45% ish. but im with you on this, its highly probale its calculated as the diffrence between tech costs in tech groups

 

[Strangedane]

Check your math, the difference is 55%...

Check my post I said relative difference.

120 + 55% is 186

 

[chameloid]

For better readability of the patchnotes without having to scroll in all directions in a way too small CODE iframe:

http://pastebin.com/VxXVmEQa

(somehow doesn't show up in the other thread)

 

[WeissRaben]

So ok, now an Asian colonial nation has no use in nothing but Mexico and Alaska, as you can't collect anywhere because you don't have provinces there. Everything east of Germany is shafted as well.

 

[FrigidSoul]

Check your math, the difference is 55%...

175%-120% = 55 point difference
175%/120% = 1.458, or a 45.8% relative difference

I think the developers use the first one, though.

 

[Nyrael]

So, in patch notes it says that you can start as Portugal and then switch to Brazil. Is it done via interface (like in Victoria 2), decision, or simply saving and then loading as a colonial nation?

If you had to reload, it should not be in the patch notes ^^;

 

[mgoetze]

Check your math, the difference is 55%...

Math looks good to me... 175% is 145% of 120%, give or take five sixths of a percent.

However, my guess would be that Paradox meant 50 percentage points difference, rather than 50%.

 

[Meneth]

For better readability of the patchnotes without having to scroll in all directions in a way too small CODE iframe:

http://pastebin.com/VxXVmEQa

(somehow doesn't show up in the other thread)

Or the EU4 Wiki: http://www.eu4wiki.com/Patch_1.4
That's even indexed.

 

[Atlanteax]

175%-120% = 55 point difference
175%/120% = 1.458, or a 45.8% relative difference

I think the developers use the first one, though.

This. It should be well-known by now that the "%" is misleading when it comes to Paradox.

It is 175 - 120 = 55.

 

[Meneth]

This. It should be well-known by now that the "%" is misleading when it comes to Paradox.

It is 175 - 120 = 55.

Or to use normal terms: a 55 percentage point difference, not a 55 percent (55%) difference.

 

[TheBloke]

Effect on income going 1.3 -> 1.4 save with Colonials

Great Britain, 1597:

• All of Aztec, Maya, Zappotek, Iroquis, Huron, Cherokee, Shawnee, Creek are annexed, plus 2-3 other colonies in NA
• After breakaway, I am left with four normal colonies, and two Colonial Nations:
  • 13 Colonies
  • English Mexico

1.3.2 Save, Feb 1597:
Total Income: 210.43
Total Expenses: 128.99

Balance: +81.43

Screenshot:

Spoiler

In 1.4.0, after one month, March 1597:

Total Income: 163.01
Total Expenses: 128.99

Balance: +34.02

Screenshot:

Spoiler

Of course this is with my Tariff % only at default, 10.

So what happens when I whack it up to +70??

In 1.4.0, after two months (April 1597) - with Tariff at 70%

Total Income: 205.34
Total Expenses: 131.29

Balance: +74.04

Screenshot:

Spoiler

Also, this happens

Note that Liberty Desire reached 100% when I got to 60% Tariff.

Of course, this is a 1.3 save taken to 1.4 so results must be taken with a pinch of salt.

But it suggests that one needs high Tariff %, and thus very high Liberty Desire / lots of wars to reach similar levels of income as 1.3. That is not unreasonable!

 

[Novacat]

I used console commands to annex kazan as muscovy, I can only release them as protectorate...

 

[unmerged(337549)]

Two second test: Kazan would be a protectorate of Muscovy.

So yes, fifty-five percentage point difference.

 

[mgoetze]

Fun with westernisation: since you are switched to the western techgroup immediately, you can immediately buy some techs for cheap. Then cancel westernisation by accepting the demands of the first reactionary rebels that pop up. The cost is only 10 prestige.

Seems pretty exploitable to me.

(EDIT: well OK you do have to pay -3 stab to start the process.)

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

Did they change the AI's metrics on when it buys provinces? I just took 3 high BT provinces hoping to sell them to Naples, but they won't accept any of them, and now I'm at over 100% OE until Rome finishes coring in 4 years

 

[DM818]

Also cocoa is pretty good as it helps with your manpower recovery.