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Bah, I don't believe it.
I slept through my alarm - again. Guess 3 am is too early for me
I slept through my alarm - again. Guess 3 am is too early for me
Stats. I believe it is final.
http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...eason=Valkyrie.net VII&lang=eng&yearsave=1803
http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...eason=Valkyrie.net VII&lang=eng&yearsave=1803
This from shortly after the destruction of Nelson by the combined forces of Spain and The Netherlands, mostly Spain.
Note that the two cities north of London is occupied by The Netherlands and that Oxford and one more city is under Spanish occupation.
artemis667 said:That war in Germany must have been fun
you see "The Double Two". I had to redow, after Prussia interfered long-long war of France-Austria. So KJ would easily cut again Austria like the session ago.
Tonioz said:Abs, finally i have more merchants settled than you
Does it really matter when I make 420 ducats monthly from trade and you only 362 ducats?
And I have more maximum fortresses than you, that ought to show you that I own you.
Absolut said:Does it really matter when I make 420 ducats monthly from trade and you only 362 ducats?
Sure, navy reformed country with +20% trade bonus
But my total income is far ahead of you
And i had 373 ducats from trade, you, march chitah
Absolut said:And I have more maximum fortresses than you, that ought to show you that I own you.
Despite you have about 2,5 times less provinces your average fortify level is less than mine
- 2.27 vs 2.64 My fortify level is higher than even the fortify level of smallest country - Austria, which is 4 times less than me.And looks like i really had to knock-knock your door :rofl:
Tonioz said:Sure, navy reformed country with +20% trade bonus
But my total income is far ahead of you
But I still make more money from trade than you!
If I had the same amount of land as Russia I would have had a bigger income than you, you are actually comparing the production income of small and cute Netherlands with big and stupid Russia. I say, you should be comparing yourself with OE or Spain.
Despite you have about 2,5 times less provinces your average fortify level is less than mine
Ah, quite true my dear ruskie, but I have my whole mainland filled with maximum fortresses, that cant be said about you.
And looks like i really had to knock-knock your door :rofl:
That is a very ugly picture, showing the imperialistic swines in Russia taking advantage of the warexhaustion Prussia suffered from!
It was an interesting last session for me. I knew I was basicly doomed, but I wanted to see how far I could stretch my country's abilities for the endgame. Won a "war" on France at the beginning, getting three german provs and helping NL get 2, and then DOW'd Austria a couple years later. The battles against Austrian forces were really unlucky, losing with a numerical and leader advantage in Vienna three times costing about 120k total. Finally Blucher came in from the north and ended their resistence, resulting in peace.
Tonio DOW'd about a year later, which wasn't enough time to prepare all my defenses, but I still had about 500k standing and my fleet was strong enough to hold the Baltic. About 70k in my MP pool. Russia invaded from the east, then had its supply cut and lost lots of troops to attrition. But Tonio had enough men that it didn't matter too much. I was going to ambush Suvorov a couple of times with my main 800 cannon/160k inf army, but always lost too many troops on the fire phase against his 160 cannons/150kish infantry army. Attrition did most of the damage.
Russia used MA in Austria to flank me. Had it not had this ability, I could've targeted his reinforcement armies more easily with Bulow. I won a few battles in the Baltic, and kept supply closed anyway for a while. I had an 80k army behind Russia's frontline, which was around Neumark. My 80k army was eventually defeated by one of Russia's good random leaders(what was it, 5 shock/fire?).
England joined the war, but my NL ally helped me out and distracted him enough that he was never able to actually help Russia(or chose not to). NL fought a very good war, almost defeating England despite disadvantages in naval control, leadership, money and manpower.
Russia pushed me back from Berlin after it regained supply, and then Denmark joined. I had 200k in the west under a 564(modified) leader, so it wasn't a problem. My west army defeated the Danes once inflicting major casualties, then joined the fight in the east. After about a year, Denmark decided it'd be good to destroy my fleet, and finally did so. With both sides using their navies to drop troops on my north coastal provs and both bringin in lots and lots of troops, I was slowly pushed back. After my main MP centers around Berlin, Brandenburg, Neumark, Mecklenburg and Holstien were taken, I was at too much of a disadvantage to hold and the war became a rout, so I accepted the stabhits.
France meanwhile had DOW'd Austria. It was a kind gesture of Cheech to DOW Austria instead of Prussia. I suspect he didn't want Russia to win the game so easily, though, and Austria should've been an easy target for him anyway. And it was, but of course the Russian mob ganged France, putting it in a lot of trouble. The Russian mob being Denmark and England. Since I had a truce now with Russia, I thought I could DOW Austria to help France conclude that war and gain an alliance with France. After I did so, Tonio broke the truce though and invaded again with his hordes.
Russia and Austria got lucky that the OE sub disappeared, otherwise t would've probably had Ottoman troops to deal with. 600k on the border or not, it would've been a distraction, dividing Tonio's attention and his leaders. I should've insisted on a rehost when Hal turned up again.
Before Russia DOW'd, I attacked Karl in Vienna and after a couple battles pursuing him, reduced his army from 200k to about 20k before he escaped to Venice. Then my remaining 100k marched north to counter the Danes who were now pressing me again. Blucher fought Russia in Poland, and then had to retreat.
I think again that I could've held Russia if it hadn't been for Denmark. Not that Danish armies were very powerful- I had the most success against them, annhilating one army and very badly beating them in a lot of other battles. They forced me to keep my forces divided though and drained a lot of my troops in those battles.
Not gonna go into detail on the 2nd war, because it went a lot similar to the first. Russia slowly gained ground, had its supply cut now and then, but Tonio didn't make any mistakes that would let me kill his leaders, so even after Suvorov died historically, his two 5 shock/fire(6 modified) leaders were able to keep fighting almost as successfully, and after 4-5 years Prussia was defeated utterly, having to cede lots of land to DK as shown in Tonios screenshot and having the country completely occupied by Russia.
I think if I got to fight a 1v1 with Russia, the Russians wouldn't have broken through. Especially if I'd had a full MP pool and standing army. Neither of the wars were remotely even, but it gave me a chance to see how far I could push my country, and it was fun in spite of its ending.
Tonio DOW'd about a year later, which wasn't enough time to prepare all my defenses, but I still had about 500k standing and my fleet was strong enough to hold the Baltic. About 70k in my MP pool. Russia invaded from the east, then had its supply cut and lost lots of troops to attrition. But Tonio had enough men that it didn't matter too much. I was going to ambush Suvorov a couple of times with my main 800 cannon/160k inf army, but always lost too many troops on the fire phase against his 160 cannons/150kish infantry army. Attrition did most of the damage.
Russia used MA in Austria to flank me. Had it not had this ability, I could've targeted his reinforcement armies more easily with Bulow. I won a few battles in the Baltic, and kept supply closed anyway for a while. I had an 80k army behind Russia's frontline, which was around Neumark. My 80k army was eventually defeated by one of Russia's good random leaders(what was it, 5 shock/fire?).
England joined the war, but my NL ally helped me out and distracted him enough that he was never able to actually help Russia(or chose not to). NL fought a very good war, almost defeating England despite disadvantages in naval control, leadership, money and manpower.
Russia pushed me back from Berlin after it regained supply, and then Denmark joined. I had 200k in the west under a 564(modified) leader, so it wasn't a problem. My west army defeated the Danes once inflicting major casualties, then joined the fight in the east. After about a year, Denmark decided it'd be good to destroy my fleet, and finally did so. With both sides using their navies to drop troops on my north coastal provs and both bringin in lots and lots of troops, I was slowly pushed back. After my main MP centers around Berlin, Brandenburg, Neumark, Mecklenburg and Holstien were taken, I was at too much of a disadvantage to hold and the war became a rout, so I accepted the stabhits.
France meanwhile had DOW'd Austria. It was a kind gesture of Cheech to DOW Austria instead of Prussia. I suspect he didn't want Russia to win the game so easily, though, and Austria should've been an easy target for him anyway. And it was, but of course the Russian mob ganged France, putting it in a lot of trouble. The Russian mob being Denmark and England. Since I had a truce now with Russia, I thought I could DOW Austria to help France conclude that war and gain an alliance with France. After I did so, Tonio broke the truce though and invaded again with his hordes.
Russia and Austria got lucky that the OE sub disappeared, otherwise t would've probably had Ottoman troops to deal with. 600k on the border or not, it would've been a distraction, dividing Tonio's attention and his leaders. I should've insisted on a rehost when Hal turned up again.
Before Russia DOW'd, I attacked Karl in Vienna and after a couple battles pursuing him, reduced his army from 200k to about 20k before he escaped to Venice. Then my remaining 100k marched north to counter the Danes who were now pressing me again. Blucher fought Russia in Poland, and then had to retreat.
I think again that I could've held Russia if it hadn't been for Denmark. Not that Danish armies were very powerful- I had the most success against them, annhilating one army and very badly beating them in a lot of other battles. They forced me to keep my forces divided though and drained a lot of my troops in those battles.
Not gonna go into detail on the 2nd war, because it went a lot similar to the first. Russia slowly gained ground, had its supply cut now and then, but Tonio didn't make any mistakes that would let me kill his leaders, so even after Suvorov died historically, his two 5 shock/fire(6 modified) leaders were able to keep fighting almost as successfully, and after 4-5 years Prussia was defeated utterly, having to cede lots of land to DK as shown in Tonios screenshot and having the country completely occupied by Russia.
I think if I got to fight a 1v1 with Russia, the Russians wouldn't have broken through. Especially if I'd had a full MP pool and standing army. Neither of the wars were remotely even, but it gave me a chance to see how far I could push my country, and it was fun in spite of its ending.
Tonioz said:
I was the only country you fought. I however fought Denmark, Austria, and lost some troops to attrition against France as well as you. My kill ratio is still better than yours
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Tonioz said:
Ah, you would have preferred to fight Prussia without funding with yours and Dks combined incomes of 1500D a month?
Tonioz said:
Prussia recieved a modest amount of money, so did France.
I was actually at +71 WS against England after a year or two, with almost all of NA, Australia, Shanghai and the CoT in Africa under my control, although the money and Nelson changed the tide of the war and slowly England lowered the WS, but I did get to stabhit him to -3 stability.
And concering the money, I was richer than England, much richer.
I had around 600d Monthly Income when Amsterdam wasnt blocked and around 430 when it was blocked, and even then it was twice as big as Englands income.
The thing that settled the war was basically the manpower and Nelson, I bravely sailed around with my 200 warships dropping of troops in NA while Nelson was cruising around Spain. But alas, he got me eventually. Without a fleet of any kind I was doomed to lose, although I sent a few transport fleets around England, via Iceland to NA all of them carrying around 30k soldiers each time.
EDIT: The biggest mistake England did in that war was not to block Amsterdam, thus allowing me to make 150d extra per month, he also let me take the monos in Kalikata and Shanghai. I was afraid hed embargo me any minute and the reason I didnt embargo him was that I didnt want to let him know he could embargo me back.
It sure sounds like you guys had alot of fun
I'm happy that Russia joined the good side of the force, which probably saved Austria from complete destruction
In general, i'm happy with this game overall. I managed to create a pretty strong Austria. My plan was all along to keep major parts of Italy and focus on the Turkish-French mostly. It was clear that Austria cannot handle any more fronts by themself.
The result against France was over expectation in this game. I managed to keep him off Italy most of the time and never really lost any advantage to them. Until they started to collaborate with the Prussians. And my Austria was not that uber to handle that kind of strenght.
I fought most wars by myself, mostly against several nations. And if you count them all i won a great deal of them.
At the time of glory, around 1600s. When Austria controled all of Italy, including Genoa, german rhine lands, Hungary, Bohemia, most of balcans, major part of Germany and several French provinces. Then i did feel kinda powerful, and it was clear that Austria was the nr1 in Europe at that time.
And as all ûber nations, that got same strength as several nations combined, they get gang banged. It was a diplomatic dissaster for Austria but it was not that bad in the end. More then that it lost some land. But France also managed to expand and take some Austrian lands with turenne. But after that the border was never really moved much.
When Prussia decieded to turn hostile on me, that i did very well know was coming, Austria rapidly lost ground. And without much help Austria was doomed to loose. Thanks to Fred II and Blüsher.
It's a pity that Austria did not attack Prussia this session, and retake some land. It obviously had the chance to do so
Perhaps next session?
All in all, this has been a good game. I managed to create a strong militaristic Austria that got rather powerful. My biggest problem was actually the lack of support from Spain in the major part of this game. My income never got over 250D monthly ever but in the early days it was really hard to fight long wars, and being rather poor, without funds of any kind.
I think this is the second time i play Austria and KJ Brandenburg and i end up being betrayed in a rather cruel way. And in both those times i was more or less the reason that Brandenburg ever managed to become Prussia.
I wont do the same misstake thrice, thats for sure
I'm happy that Russia joined the good side of the force, which probably saved Austria from complete destruction
In general, i'm happy with this game overall. I managed to create a pretty strong Austria. My plan was all along to keep major parts of Italy and focus on the Turkish-French mostly. It was clear that Austria cannot handle any more fronts by themself.
The result against France was over expectation in this game. I managed to keep him off Italy most of the time and never really lost any advantage to them. Until they started to collaborate with the Prussians. And my Austria was not that uber to handle that kind of strenght.
I fought most wars by myself, mostly against several nations. And if you count them all i won a great deal of them.
At the time of glory, around 1600s. When Austria controled all of Italy, including Genoa, german rhine lands, Hungary, Bohemia, most of balcans, major part of Germany and several French provinces. Then i did feel kinda powerful, and it was clear that Austria was the nr1 in Europe at that time.
And as all ûber nations, that got same strength as several nations combined, they get gang banged. It was a diplomatic dissaster for Austria but it was not that bad in the end. More then that it lost some land. But France also managed to expand and take some Austrian lands with turenne. But after that the border was never really moved much.
When Prussia decieded to turn hostile on me, that i did very well know was coming, Austria rapidly lost ground. And without much help Austria was doomed to loose. Thanks to Fred II and Blüsher.
It's a pity that Austria did not attack Prussia this session, and retake some land. It obviously had the chance to do so
Perhaps next session?
All in all, this has been a good game. I managed to create a strong militaristic Austria that got rather powerful. My biggest problem was actually the lack of support from Spain in the major part of this game. My income never got over 250D monthly ever but in the early days it was really hard to fight long wars, and being rather poor, without funds of any kind.
I think this is the second time i play Austria and KJ Brandenburg and i end up being betrayed in a rather cruel way. And in both those times i was more or less the reason that Brandenburg ever managed to become Prussia.
I wont do the same misstake thrice, thats for sure
Oh, and the reason why i couldnt play this session was because that a trainee (15 years old) decieded to "test drive" my car at the repair shop, he somehow mixed up the accelerator and breaks and turned my car into scrap.
Not the very best day of my life....
Not the very best day of my life....
Heh. All I did was alter the diplomatic situation. I could've remained aligned with Austria, Denmark and Poland until the end of the game, but then the game would've been a disappointment to me. I'm satisfied with the way this has turned out - Prussia had a good run. And I think post 1700, I would've done it the same way, except for my DOW on Austria last session, that was poor judgement.
Russia won in the end, but Tonio didn't do anything interesting the entire game and everytime we tried to get a coalition together he complained a lot to make us feel guilty about it, even though it was clearly the only way Russia could be defeated. Still I have to commend him for his impressive economy building and skilled warring whenever we fought.
Austria was the most active country in the game I think, along with France and Brandenburg. Austria however had much more success. If Fred could've fought nothing but 1v1 wars to the end of the game, he might have won all of them, but that just goes to show why coalitions and "gangs" are necessary for any healthy game to keep the flow.
And sorry to hear about your car
Russia won in the end, but Tonio didn't do anything interesting the entire game and everytime we tried to get a coalition together he complained a lot to make us feel guilty about it, even though it was clearly the only way Russia could be defeated. Still I have to commend him for his impressive economy building and skilled warring whenever we fought.
Austria was the most active country in the game I think, along with France and Brandenburg. Austria however had much more success. If Fred could've fought nothing but 1v1 wars to the end of the game, he might have won all of them, but that just goes to show why coalitions and "gangs" are necessary for any healthy game to keep the flow.
And sorry to hear about your car