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So this is just an idea. I don't know how you would make it work or even exactly where I'm going with this but.

How about an event or a series of events that attempts to accurately reflect the Allies unified command structure during WW2?

Problem: I have played as Britain and wished and wished that Australian or New Zealand or Canadian divisions would land in Egypt or the D Day landings or Singapore or India and assist me. Historically, the Commonwealth forces were a huge part of Britain's war effort. Indian and Australian divisions played a crucial role throughout the Med and Middle East. As the US I have wished for British help with D Day. A British 8th Army to complement my armies, instead I have to do it all single handidly. The current AI for Britain, Australia, etc just has them conduct ASW in the North Atlantic for the whole war and some strategic bombing.

Solution: Events would create a US puppet state, the Allies, with a capital at Washington DC or London with military access granted to and through all the members of the Allies. This country would automatically gain all of the land, air and sea forces of the major Allied nations (I would leave countries like Bhutan, Nepal, Liberia, Iraq, Syria under their own control). Somehow, and this would be the tricky part, all units produced by those nations would have to be immediately put under the control of the Allies, through expeditionary forces or something. The Allies would be put under the military control of a human player, if no human player is present in the Allies then the Allies event would not fire or would not result in its creation. This lets us human players have a whole new experience without affecting AI balance.

Problems: The Allies would need its own convoy and transport fleet, unless that too can be taken from the member states. It would need a joint commander pool. It would need events (leadership changes, strategy decisions, etc.) It would need events transferring control of its forces back to its member states after WW2 (or maybe not, it could just change its name to NATO). It could possibly have tech teams or its own special tech tree? It would need a way to have sufficient amounts of TC.

The event would be completely optional so if you didn't want to control that many units then you could just decline, in which case the AI would continue normally. Perhaps a 3 choice event: Create it and assume military control, create it (current 9% org bonus) or don't create it.

What do you guys think?
 

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Maybe, you could also create events forming the appropriate armies. It was in the basic game or in a mod (e.g. Stony Road). There you created the Afrikakorp/Division Azul/Italian Exp. Forces for Barbarossa resulting in additional German divisions taken from the appropriate country.
 
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tomasgal is correct and think about the various problems like Unified command would ship all their indian troops to north africa leaving india unprotected when japan attacks and that is only one example.
by the way. doesn´t gb use the troops of canada and south africa ?I thought they would. well, I´m really not sure.
 

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ask your allies for expeditionary forces. thats at least realistic. if you simply fight as the british all over the world (ive caught myself fighting in spain, italy, africa and india at one moment) you are bound to probably lose. in africa the south africans and even the ethiopians if freed provide some much needed bolster to your armies.

as for the US and landing help, this is a bit more tricky, but let me give you an example:

as the us ofc, i secured a landing in southern spain from africa. the UK had about 60 divs waiting on a port and even after i was engaged in heavy fighting the british didnt land anything. i took control of the AI and loaded the divisions into my own transports, then landed them on the coastline. without them it is certain i would have lost. the same thing is achievable if you are going for a D-Day landing for example. just remember, you have to load the divisions manually.
 

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ask your allies for expeditionary forces. thats at least realistic. if you simply fight as the british all over the world (ive caught myself fighting in spain, italy, africa and india at one moment) you are bound to probably lose. in africa the south africans and even the ethiopians if freed provide some much needed bolster to your armies.

as for the US and landing help, this is a bit more tricky, but let me give you an example:

as the us ofc, i secured a landing in southern spain from africa. the UK had about 60 divs waiting on a port and even after i was engaged in heavy fighting the british didnt land anything. i took control of the AI and loaded the divisions into my own transports, then landed them on the coastline. without them it is certain i would have lost. the same thing is achievable if you are going for a D-Day landing for example. just remember, you have to load the divisions manually.

I did not know you could load UK divisions onto US transports. Very interesting.
 

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tomasgal is correct and think about the various problems like Unified command would ship all their indian troops to north africa leaving india unprotected when japan attacks and that is only one example.
by the way. doesn´t gb use the troops of canada and south africa ?I thought they would. well, I´m really not sure.

The only way you could do the unified command was if you were a human player. And if you want to send all of your defense forces in India to Africa then you deserve to have Japan take India. The computer would not ever control the Allies for obvious reasons.
 

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Maybe, you could also create events forming the appropriate armies. It was in the basic game or in a mod (e.g. Stony Road). There you created the Afrikakorp/Division Azul/Italian Exp. Forces for Barbarossa resulting in additional German divisions taken from the appropriate country.

That is certainly a great idea. Then I'd just mil control my Allies and keep their divisions back in their own countries and use the new forces myself.
 

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I don't think you have to go that far with Unified Command. there are 2 issues here, the U.K getting Exp forces and the US/UK Dday invasion.

To fix UK getting Exp forces from minors you can make new events to gradually increase the % of Exp forces they receive from say 20% at begin of war and then increase when ger dow on Lux, Bel and Neth to 40 % and then for invasion of Italy, say 60% and then Dday to 80. Now you might leave Aust at 40% to defend against Japan. I think India already sends Exp forces to UK.
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Next is Dday and I think what is happening is that the UK ai or the US ai does not know you, human, is starting Dday so the Dday file doesnot load. It may be the Dday file itself.

Make event that asks twice a year if the US or UK, human, would like to prepare for dday, if yes, then it would load Dday files and help/wait for your attack.

I will try to add some of the above to my MOD, DB's ai mod, if I get a chance, nice questions, thread,

cheers, Bob
 

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I don't think you have to go that far with Unified Command. there are 2 issues here, the U.K getting Exp forces and the US/UK Dday invasion.

To fix UK getting Exp forces from minors you can make new events to gradually increase the % of Exp forces they receive from say 20% at begin of war and then increase when ger dow on Lux, Bel and Neth to 40 % and then for invasion of Italy, say 60% and then Dday to 80. Now you might leave Aust at 40% to defend against Japan. I think India already sends Exp forces to UK.
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Next is Dday and I think what is happening is that the UK ai or the US ai does not know you, human, is starting Dday so the Dday file doesnot load. It may be the Dday file itself.

Make event that asks twice a year if the US or UK, human, would like to prepare for dday, if yes, then it would load Dday files and help/wait for your attack.

I will try to add some of the above to my MOD, DB's ai mod, if I get a chance, nice questions, thread,

cheers, Bob

The UK starts the game with military control over India (but not military access through India which is weird) but I feel like the Indians aren't really the main problem since the British divisions are already made to come out as some Indian divisions (e.g. 9th Indian Division produced by the UK). It is mainly Australia, New Zealand, Canada and South Africa that I want to improve. Along with better cooperation on land from the UK. I think your idea about the twice a year D Day event should be a very large step in the right direction without all the work of making a true unified command.
 

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empyrical, there is no need to post 3 consecutive posts. just put all the answers into one.
 

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Another option is that you could have a "comonwealth" event where the UK is given Military control, over commonwealth forces....
 

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Another option is that you could have a "comonwealth" event where the UK is given Military control, over commonwealth forces....

Yeah, I know that Military Control is an option. But it is not a very good one. You have to deal with a lot of weird things. For example in my game as the UK I had to bring all my Commonwealth troops to Israel and mass them there. Egypt hadn't joined the war yet and did not give military access to the other Commonwealth nations. So I had about 20 divisions just waiting. Kind of silly. I just want an event that gives the Commonwealth divisions to the UK completely. They could keep a certain percent as their own national defense, as someone else suggested. Plus that still doesn't solve the British AI when you're trying to play realistically as the US. The D Day AI isn't very well done. Neither is the Italian invasion AI (if there even is one.)
 

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true true. if those divs were waiting, why not land on the rear of the italian forces and trap them? AFAICS, the AI does not retreat divisions trapped on a shore territory.
 

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Yeah, I know that Military Control is an option. But it is not a very good one. You have to deal with a lot of weird things. For example in my game as the UK I had to bring all my Commonwealth troops to Israel and mass them there. Egypt hadn't joined the war yet and did not give military access to the other Commonwealth nations. So I had about 20 divisions just waiting. Kind of silly. I just want an event that gives the Commonwealth divisions to the UK completely. They could keep a certain percent as their own national defense, as someone else suggested. Plus that still doesn't solve the British AI when you're trying to play realistically as the US. The D Day AI isn't very well done. Neither is the Italian invasion AI (if there even is one.)
Well then add millitary access also to the commonwealth event. I think the Brits should have millitary acces to Egypt already but if they dont then that is one way to fix it.