Brainstorming for Napoleonic Victory Mod

[Taylor]

Ok, I made a new flag for La Plata:

What do you think?

Furthermore, here are some more flag suggestions for Columbia, take your pick!

Union Jack with UK coa:

Union Jack with Yorkist Rose (I could also do one with the Tudor rose...):

Union Jack with white cross turned black:

 

[Genusaus]

Maybe this definition/quality would be a bit better? I'm not sure about the actual flag because too much definition may make it have a little bit of annoying view.

And about Columbia, the flowers in the middle remind me a bit about the British India. And though the flag with the black bar outside of the English Cross might not necessarily suit Columbia, it definitely looks interesting.

 

[Vesimir]

Or maybe change the Scotland part (Blue) to black? I requested such a flag for myself in the Graphic thread some time ago.

 

[Taylor]

Maybe this definition/quality would be a bit better? I'm not sure about the actual flag because too much definition may make it have a little bit of annoying view.

And about Columbia, the flowers in the middle remind me a bit about the British India. And though the flag with the black bar outside of the English Cross might not necessarily suit Columbia, it definitely looks interesting.

Hey, how did you do that? It looks much better than mine! Did you resize it in a different way?

Or maybe change the Scotland part (Blue) to black? I requested such a flag for myself in the Graphic thread some time ago.

I will to that when I am at my home computer again. (with photoshop)

 

[Taylor]

I did some work on the UK military. Basically, I deleted most of their fleet, and gave a couple of divisions to one of their successor states. The situation in England now looks like this:

Both sides are quite weak, and England is a little stronger than UK (note though that the UK has a cavalry division). Both sides have about equal amount of people (strictly speaking, UK has more, but a couple of provs are occupied by Ireland), but England has a much better industry. Also, the UK is at war with Ireland, and maybe the Irish can manage to ferry some troops to Britain (though they first have to build transports).

Btw, I also moved some POPs from Canada to Columbia.

 

[Vesimir]

About England.

If England wins the war and annexes the UK :
- The nobles will run off to India and Canada.
- Ireland gets northern Ireland.
- Scotland is released and joins the english alliance. Soon after Ireland has a chance to join too. They go on to live peacefully and don't get into anyones way. Maybe join Napoleons empire.
Maybe - England suffers a coup and a dictator takes power!
- England keeps whole GB and focuses on rebuilding the country and the Grand Navy. After it's done, they invade Ireland and then, they try to dominate northern Europe. (Take Greenland, Iceland. Ally with Norway, etc.) All to try and bring back the once powerfull England, only this time not under the yoke of the king. (Instead under the yoke of a dictator.)

What do you think?

 

[jamhaw]

I think it would be interesting if you used V.I.P. style British POP's so for example you could have English, Scottish and Welsh POP's, considering the chaos of the civil war it seems to me that could be pretty useful and lead to some interesting possibilities.

 

[unmerged(81390)]

If the UK loses, Columbia and BEIC (The Indian ones, what are they called ingame?) should get events with POPs and cash. Maybe BEIC could refuse and instead become a satelite of England? Columbia is royalist anyway.
If England loses, Columbia and BEIC can choose to become satelites, annexed, independent allies of UK or complete independence. Perhaps Columbia should start out with an alliance with UK and not have the choice of breaking off completely?

There should be an event handling Scotland's future. England should probably just institute a democratic government and ally with them, but it will have the choice to satelite them instead or maybe letting a Scotish monarchy remain.

A monarchist Scotland (low hance of happening, but should be there) would just stay at war with Ireland. If England choose to ally with Scotland or satelite them, an event can cause conflict with Ireland. Either England or Scotland can get cores on North Ireland.

Events could give the Welsh militancy, but England will want to keep them (and succed most of the time). Add Wales as a revolter nation!
A choice could be to let Wales go independent as well, but not this early in the game though...

 

[Taylor]

About England.

If England wins the war and annexes the UK :
- The nobles will run off to India and Canada.
- Ireland gets northern Ireland.
- Scotland is released and joins the english alliance. Soon after Ireland has a chance to join too. They go on to live peacefully and don't get into anyones way. Maybe join Napoleons empire.
Maybe - England suffers a coup and a dictator takes power!
- England keeps whole GB and focuses on rebuilding the country and the Grand Navy. After it's done, they invade Ireland and then, they try to dominate northern Europe. (Take Greenland, Iceland. Ally with Norway, etc.) All to try and bring back the once powerfull England, only this time not under the yoke of the king. (Instead under the yoke of a dictator.)

What do you think?

- Yes.
- Yes.
- Ireland should indeed remain peaceful. However they may suffer from foreign aggression (in the form of England, UK or Scotland).
- You with your dictators ! But yes, maybe we can have a small chance for that to happen.
- That's indeed the idea, England should meddle in the affairs of Europe to hinder France as much as possible. They may even have a hand in uniting various nations (such as Germany, Italy, Scandinavia, who knows?) Possibly also England can form an alliance with FSA.

I think it would be interesting if you used V.I.P. style British POP's so for example you could have English, Scottish and Welsh POP's, considering the chaos of the civil war it seems to me that could be pretty useful and lead to some interesting possibilities.

That's indeed a very good idea. I will probably do that, but do you think I should use VIP pops for the entire world or just for Great Britain?

If the UK loses, Columbia and BEIC (The Indian ones, what are they called ingame?) should get events with POPs and cash. Maybe BEIC could refuse and instead become a satelite of England? Columbia is royalist anyway.
If England loses, Columbia and BEIC can choose to become satelites, annexed, independent allies of UK or complete independence. Perhaps Columbia should start out with an alliance with UK and not have the choice of breaking off completely?

There should be an event handling Scotland's future. England should probably just institute a democratic government and ally with them, but it will have the choice to satelite them instead or maybe letting a Scotish monarchy remain.

A monarchist Scotland (low hance of happening, but should be there) would just stay at war with Ireland. If England choose to ally with Scotland or satelite them, an event can cause conflict with Ireland. Either England or Scotland can get cores on North Ireland.

Events could give the Welsh militancy, but England will want to keep them (and succed most of the time). Add Wales as a revolter nation!
A choice could be to let Wales go independent as well, but not this early in the game though...

(BEIC is called East India in game)

Good ideas on Scotland!

I will definitely make Wales a revolter nation.

Though I will probably not let Columbia start out in alliance with UK. I see them as an analogous state as Transvaal was in OTL; i.e. not allied with their mother country, because the mother country has lost its influence in the area.


And now, some more variations on the Union Jack:

 

[Vesimir]

The "sinister" (Black and red) jack looks awesome but I don't know how it would look in game. And every good mod needs a dictator!

 

[Taylor]

Let's make a plan for what is going to happen (events) in the near future (~before 1850) in continental Europe. Here's what I'm thinking of right now:

Event for France: "Death of Napoleon I (ca. 1840)". Triggers an event for Austria: "The Last Coalition" where it can choose to seek an alliance with Prussia and Russia against France. Prussia and Russia get events where they choose whether they want to join. Prussia is likely to join, Russia less. Depending on the outcome, Austria then decides whether to attack Bavaria (guaranteed by France), with more chance if Russia is in. A war ensues between France and Prussia, Austria & maybe Russia. Spain, Netherlands, Italy and Warsaw now get a choice whether they want to join the French in their war, or instead try to take the opportunity to break their satellite status and not enter the war. Spain and Netherlands is likely to secede, Italy and Warsaw are likely to join France. Maybe Denmark and Sweden can intervene as well. The following outcomes of the war are possible:

Russia does not join:
1.) Complete Coalition Victory. Prussia gets Poland and possibly some lands in Germany, Austria gets Tyrol back, and Illyria and Bosnia as satellite (with the possibility to annex them later). French German satellites break their satellite status and enter a defensive alliance with Prussia and Austria.
2.) Minor Coalition Victory. Prussia gets Posen, Danzig, and possibly some lands in Germany. Austria gets Tyrol back. Some French satellites may break satellite status.
3.) Standoff. Status quo.
4.) Minor French Victory. Danzig corridor to Poland. Austria loses some land to Illyria.
5.) Complete French Victory. Schlesien, east Prussia, Danzig corridor and part of Galicia to Poland. Illyria gets some provinces, possibly Bosnia and Serbia profit some as well. Austria falls apart into Austria, Hungary and Bohemia.

Russia does join:
1.) Complete Coalition Victory. Prussia gets Rheinland, Westphalia, part of Saxony. Austria gets Bavaria and Illyria, and Bosnia as satellite. Russia gets Poland and Galicia. French German satellites break their satellite status and enter a defensive alliance with Prussia and Austria.
2.) Minor Coalition Victory. Prussia gets Posen, Danzig, and possibly some lands in Germany. Austria gets Tyrol back. Some French satellites may break satellite status.
3.) Standoff. Status quo.
4.) Minor French Victory. Danzig corridor to Poland. Austria loses some land to Illyria.
5.) Complete French Victory. Schlesien, east Prussia, Danzig corridor and part of Galicia to Poland. Illyria gets some provinces, possibly Bosnia and Serbia profit some as well. Austria falls apart into Austria, Hungary and Bohemia. Russia has to release Romania.

 

[jamhaw]

I think if the republicans win more than just the aristocrats should leave. Also what sort of republic is it? Could it be a coalition of various anti-monarchist groups which after the civil war could then have one side or another emerge predominant? So for example there could be an aristocratic faction who would want landed voting rights and a lord protector as well as more radical republican groups (some of whom would want the whole of the British isles, others would be fine with Wales and Scotland being independant) in general have more variety of republican factions, is that possible considering the mods timeline?


As to the use of V.I.P. POP,s I think that you should use the British POP's and that is about it, as it would be more work to intergrate all the POP's (although using VIP India might be nice so as to give British India some British POP's) the world at large would have changed too much I think for it to be worth intergrating the V.I.P. POP's, and some V.I.P. POP's would not make sense (the Afrikaner type for example really ought to be Dutch in the timeline I think).

Also how much work have you done with Columbia? It seems to me that the settlers (who have come from Upper Canada as I recall) should not have reached the Pacific yet and would have settled more along the praries (although perhaps that could be wear a Metis Confederacy could be) while I think Canada should still have most of it's French population as well as perhaps a signifigant number of loyalists located in the Maritimes, I could see more French fleeing West so perhaps there could be a Metis Confederacy along the Red River with Franco Canadian and Metis as it's accepted cultures with a majority of the population being Metis along with perhaps a small minority of Franco Canadians and a large minority of Cree.

Also perhaps one of the sides could try and curry favour with the Welsh (gaining Welsh as an accepted culture) on of the ways to do that could be to change the flag to add Welsh symbology I am thinking the Welsh Cross whatever it is called could be used

 

[Genusaus]

Hey, how did you do that? It looks much better than mine! Did you resize it in a different way?

The images the site provides are in indexed format at default so resizing them will cause them to be pixelated, you have to (in photoshop) go to mode -> and change it from indexed to RGB. This will help resolution.

Then I started to burn the image slightly so the 'lightness' that the small image has is taken away. This will add definition.

Hope that helps

 

[unmerged(81390)]

V.I.P. POPs could be implemented on most of the world though, and any changes (Afrikaaner, Canada...) could be made in the VIP files...

 

[jamhaw]

I have a thought for Liberia, how about we move it to South West Africa and name it Freedonia (a name which was historically considered as I recall) to increase the alternate historicalnes of the timeline.

 

[jamhaw]

Ok, I made a new flag for La Plata:

What do you think?

Furthermore, here are some more flag suggestions for Columbia, take your pick!

Union Jack with UK coa:

Union Jack with Yorkist Rose (I could also do one with the Tudor rose...):

Union Jack with white cross turned black:

I prefer the one with the coat of arms.

 

[yourworstnightm]

I have a thought for Liberia, how about we move it to South West Africa and name it Freedonia (a name which was historically considered as I recall) to increase the alternate historicalnes of the timeline.

Hmm, however we must consider US history and the totally ASB split when we plan Liberia.

 

[LordInsane]

Regarding the USA's split- note that I said 'a' Nullification Crisis, not 'the' Nullification Crisis- in other words, I didn't envision OTL's South Carolina-centred crisis going differently, nor did I envision the OTL northern-centred nullification sitation (which, in any case, happened in 1843), I envisioned an alternate Nullification Crisis- something like a reverse South Carolinan situation that escalated into secession. Unlikely, but not necessarily entirely ASB, given increased tensions beforehand.
Of course, there most likely needs to be something to *cause* those increased tensions, more than the Canadian annexation...

And aw, no united Scandinavia this time? I was hoping for Liberty And King to have a torchbearer near Europe...

 

[unmerged(81390)]

And aw, no united Scandinavia this time? I was hoping for Liberty And King to have a torchbearer near Europe...

Nope!

Swedish/Danish hostility will remain, and Norway will hate them both!

At long last I think we might have a mod without a united Scandinavia!

 

[unmerged(131989)]

Where does the idea for English seperatism come from (Yorkists, etc.)? I'm not sure it's feasible. Scottish or maybe even Welsh seperatism would be more likely should Napoleon have won and Ireland be freed.

On the topic of Ireland, I also doubt that the UK would've kept Northern Ireland if Napoleon had won. IMO that would've gone to Ireland.