I'm playing Castile right now, have no BF with Aragon. TBH, I'm clueless about how does it work, though.
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I'm playing Castile right now, have no BF with Aragon. TBH, I'm clueless about how does it work, though.
After the patch, I got massive border friction with all neighbours. I had some potential diplo vassalisations lined up, but after the patch, I can just forget that.
Another idea is to sign a NAP (non aggression pact) with them (or with anyone for that matter). If you DOW them, then you could suffer something nasty.
There is something odd about the calculations. Start a new game and pick a nation like Austria. Border friction out of the gate is
Hungary -140
Salzburg - 90
Venice -27
Bavaria -46
Bohemia -48
This doesn't match, at all, the tax values of the Austrian provinces bordering each (which are almost exactly the same for Venice, Salzburg, Hungary.) Something else is going on.
FYI if I understand the base rule each of these countries should be at about -175 border friction (35 base tax X 5).
Hungary -140
Salzburg - 90
Venice -27
Bavaria -46
Bohemia -48
This doesn't match, at all, the tax values of the Austrian provinces bordering each (which are almost exactly the same for Venice, Salzburg, Hungary.) Something else is going on.
FYI if I understand the base rule each of these countries should be at about -175 border friction (35 base tax X 5).
Border Friction as a concept makes sense from an historical concept as borders were fluid and changing due to conflicting and not stationary for hundreds of years.
Maybe it needs adjusting and it perhaps shouldn't apply within HRE for same reason as vassal-overlord doesn't but I'd like to know a single long border that stated static for centuries during this time period without any anomosity or conflicts? Versus how many conflicts were there over borders.
Seems perfectly historical and wondering where all these "its not historical" ideas come from. Borders were constantly changing and even when they didn't there were often wars.
Maybe it needs adjusting and it perhaps shouldn't apply within HRE for same reason as vassal-overlord doesn't but I'd like to know a single long border that stated static for centuries during this time period without any anomosity or conflicts? Versus how many conflicts were there over borders.
Seems perfectly historical and wondering where all these "its not historical" ideas come from. Borders were constantly changing and even when they didn't there were often wars.
We're not in a PU nor any vassal relation. We're both independent, RM and allied. As I said, I have no idea how the border friction works, so I don't know how this is possible.
we back to EU3 where neighbors could never become allies and you always had to fight them? it makes absolutely no sense. Border friction should be either gone or dissipate over time.
Here's a few:
Spain/Castille-Portugal
Castille-Aragon
Poland-Lithuana
Austria-Hungary
Austria-Bohemia
China-Korea
Looking at the data OhioAstro posted about Austria, the only country that seems 'impossible' to ally with is Hungary, which is perfectly fine for me because during this time period Austria and Hungary were bitter rivals who fought more than a couple wars against each other, including one where Hungary seized Vienna itself. That rivalry had long existed, and continued right up until the moment the Ottoman Empire Killed the Shit out of the King of Hungary, and Austria just sort of moved in and seized the western half of the country.
Ha, just realized border friction was wacky after Austria had -200 opinion of me, with -143 being border friction as Venice.
Dear God...the horror.
Dear God...the horror.
Really? They were bitter rivals at the time of the Ottoman invasions? Why would the hungarian nobles elect a bitter rival as king?
What about a more extensive use of historical_friend modifier in some cases like preventing Poland from bashing Hungary every game.
As for the border friction itself,I think it should be dependent on the movement of borders.The longer two countries have their borders unchanged,the less border friction they get.When a change does occur,you get an increase in it,depending on some factors.It could work as AE,so that after borders have changed,it starts slowly decreasing again.Obviously making claims would also slightly increase it.
As for the border friction itself,I think it should be dependent on the movement of borders.The longer two countries have their borders unchanged,the less border friction they get.When a change does occur,you get an increase in it,depending on some factors.It could work as AE,so that after borders have changed,it starts slowly decreasing again.Obviously making claims would also slightly increase it.
Spain/Castille-Portugal: Low Border Friction in game.
Castille-Aragon: Just outside of the window but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Two_Peters - of course then the crowns were united not long in so border friction disappears in game when that happens.
Poland-Lithuania: A Personal Union for much of the time so no Border Friction in game if there's a Personal Union.
Austria-Hungary: One example in the games first century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian–Hungarian_War_(1477–88)
Austria-Bohemia: Aren't both in the HRE? I agree there shouldn't be BF in the HRE.
China-Korea: Outside my area of expertise but I know that there were multiple wars between Manchu and Korea.
That may help some. I'd rather Paradox would get a better grip on the BF-concept itself, though.
Don't know enough about Chinese-Korean relations to comment on the last one, but note that Portugal and Spain fought quite a few wars during the period, and there were territorial changes as a result (the town of Olivenza in Spain was Portuguese until the War of the Oranges in 1801).
Most of the rest were personal unions for most of the game-period (and thus don't have border friction), as was Spain-Portugal for part of the time.
Because by electing the Austrian Archduke and current Emperor to the throne of Hungary they ensured they would have military and economic support from the massive Austro-Spanish Hapsburg Empire to help protect them from the equally large Ottoman Empire.
In game, based on the numbers OhioAstro posted, if you max out your improve relations and have common Rivals, plus a gift and you can easily get positive relations to sign an alliance and royal marriage. Just realize that this will be a tense friendship.
I'm actually okay with the Border Friction being reduced, I'll probably reduce it to -3 from -5, but I disagree strongly with the idea that Border Friction itself is a foolish idea, or that it is a game breaking or 'utterly ridiculous' system as some have suggested.