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Why do people post these stupid threads? We're not going to stop enjoying the game, nor is anybody going to "fix" it for people who don't. It's a waste of everybody's time.

:rofl:

I guess I can be confident CK2 will include female inheritance, eh Drach?

They do it because they don't understand the game, are jealous of you because you do, and want to make themselves feel better by telling everyone what a stupid game this is thus making you stupid for playing it.

 

[binTravkin]

They do it because they don't understand the game, are jealous of you because you do, and want to make themselves feel better by telling everyone what a stupid game this is thus making you stupid for playing it.

You nailed it!

 

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This thread has gone completely bananas! My intention was to comment on the game, period. Some of you understood that, but others took it as a personal attack. Like CK is something in the core of your soul, belief system, etc. If my preferences towards CK appears to be negative, it doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate your preferences. Like Voltaire said, “Although I don’t agree with your viewpoint, I’ll defend it to the grave”. And when it comes to CK, well, I think it’s boring. So? It doesn’t matter for you, does it?

The only thing that struck me is that none of you have realised it yet. But the process of realisation and illumination does come at a different pace for people…

Let’s agree to disagree.

 

[iwan_manjak]

Totti: I guess your mistake is expecting CK to be an strategy game. In part, it is, but it's more an rpg. In order to really enjoy it, you must get attached to your characters, your dinasty. You must honour your ancestors, dream of a better future for your grandchildren, far of this miserable county you are confined in, and despise your cruel lustful and unfaithful wife (it was your father who make you marry her, you were in love with this pretty wench who catched your eye) who gives you bastard children. This is what CK is about.

 

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Totti: I guess your mistake is expecting CK to be an strategy game. In part, it is, but it's more an rpg. In order to really enjoy it, you must get attached to your characters, your dinasty. You must honour your ancestors, dream of a better future for your grandchildren, far of this miserable county you are confined in, and despise your cruel lustful and unfaithful wife (it was your father who make you marry her, you were in love with this pretty wench who catched your eye) who gives you bastard children. This is what CK is about.

I think so too. I prefer strategy games, which I thought CK were.

 

[phargle]

This thread has gone completely bananas! My intention was to comment on the game, period.

What did you expect the replies to be? "Yeah, we can see your point" or "No, we like Crusader Kings, as would be expected by our presence in the Crusader Kings subforum"? Or did you expect no replies at all? Frankly, the response is exactly what you should expect except insofar as the replies have been relatively mild.

HoI and CK are different beasts. I've played both and in both I've had times of great action and times of great boredom. I've noticed in HoI that the times of action are loooooong and griiiiiinding, while the times of boredom are looooong and griiiiinding. In CK, the action is wham-bam, and the boredom gives way to action relatively quickly, even when playing as a count. So, fundamentally, Crusader Kings is lots of short periods of inaction punctuated by lots of short periods of action, while HoI is one long period of inaction followed by one long slog.

Whatever. Both games are fun, although it's always a headache to load up HoI, knowing that I can't bear to start games past the earliest starting date and knowing I'm gonna spend a few evenings waiting for 1936 to become 1939. Most times, I read a book by the computer and click 'OK' or pick a new technology every so often.

Crusader Kings certainly suffers the same flaw all strategy games seem to have regarding ease - once you pass a critical mass of strength (which involves some struggle and some genuinely hard fights), the game is too easy because you never break back down again. Then again, that point may be regarded as the time to declare victory and play a new country.

As for Crusader Kings being a strategy game, it certainly is. The fundamental difference between Crusader Kings and HoI is that one game (generally) gives you strategic goals and the other (generally) lets you choose your strategic goals.

 

[iwan_manjak]

Crusader Kings certainly suffers the same flaw all strategy games seem to have regarding ease - once you pass a critical mass of strength (which involves some struggle and some genuinely hard fights), the game is too easy because you never break back down again. Then again, that point may be regarded as the time to declare victory and play a new country.

But this does not happen in CK. When you are too strong, it's not the time to declare victory, but the time to divide your empire between your sons, and let them fight each other.

 

[Victor1234]

I concur, that's also what I enjoy most about the game. How everything can go absolutely wrong in a flash and so you have to keep a constant watch over everything.

 

[binTravkin]

his thread has gone completely bananas! My intention was to comment on the game, period.

While commenting on a game, or any other thing, it is good avoid making statements about what you don't know or haven't noticed.

Your comments about province micromanagement being better and more elaborate in HoI were completely bananas as well as quite a lot of others.
What you don't see doesn't necessarily mean it isn't there, maybe you just haven't taken a closer look.

CK is a strategy game with elements of RPG, however it doesn't disqualify it as a strategy game altogether and make your points about HoI valid and your method of comparison ('played a few games, know it, and can comment and compare objectively' type of mindset) any good.

Likewise you could've dropped in any other game and then compare it with HoI, raising questionable or even obviously false arguments.


And no, Im not CK addict and it's not in my soul and heart or something.
As opposed to you, I've played both HoI and CK as well as EU a lot and sorry, I just don't see the glorious picture in HoI you're painting, nor do I see such in any game..

 

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I think it safe to say that Totti is something of an attention troll.

But this does not happen in CK. When you are too strong, it's not the time to declare victory, but the time to divide your empire between your sons, and let them fight each other.

...actually that's the time when you get saddled with an idiot for an heir and then have to sit back and watch helplessly as the empire disintegrates before you eyes...just in time for the mongol invastion :rofl:

You know, I used to get really annoyed at the spiral of death, but now I understand it, I think it's brilliant and makes the game so much more intriguing. If they make CK2, I hope they're smart enough to bring back the old crew, you can definitely feel the love that went into this software.

 

[Rundstedt75]

to be fair, '36-'39, depending on the country and my own circumstances (LAN, SP, bored, have better things to do, whatever), is amazingly, agonizingly boring. far more so than CK is.

I love them both. Sometimes I'll just get to '39 and say: hmm, fight France/China/Yugo/Greece=boring I think I'll start again. And CK is nice just thinking what might be and plotting against my lord/neighbors not to mention the assorted heretics that are spread throughout the map etc.

 

[The Great Duck]

Totti said he isn't happy with the navy system.
Somebody here said it is how the navy was ran in the middle ages..
I know the MTW,which cant be compared to this great game,does have different ships(I know of the funny facts in the MTW1:Turks are same as Arabs,and Spain and Italy are unified sovereign countries there!)

 

[Spacehusky]

I thought HoI2 was far superior to CK when I first bought CK too, but I've come back to it recently and have realized how rich and fun it is.

 

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This thread has gone completely bananas! My intention was to comment on the game, period. Some of you understood that, but others took it as a personal attack. Like CK is something in the core of your soul, belief system, etc. If my preferences towards CK appears to be negative, it doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate your preferences. Like Voltaire said, “Although I don’t agree with your viewpoint, I’ll defend it to the grave”. And when it comes to CK, well, I think it’s boring. So? It doesn’t matter for you, does it?

The only thing that struck me is that none of you have realised it yet. But the process of realisation and illumination does come at a different pace for people…

Let’s agree to disagree.

My friend, it should be no surprise that people would respond with such hostility towards your posts. Let's take a look at the 2nd half of your post here.

"...well, I think it's boring....The only thing that struck me is that none of you have realised it yet." - Obvious condescending tone here. Plus, this statement clearly exhibits you portraying your opinion as fact, even if that isn't your intention.

"But the process of realisation and illumination does come at a different pace for people..." -Another insult behind a very thin veil...

Now, I understand what you're trying to say. However, any opinion like this can easily be taken as an attack, especially in the way you carelessly phrased things.

 

[DPS]

I'd like to thank Totti for enlightening us all. Here we thought that CK was a good game, but it turns out it sucks. We've wasted, what, two years playing it? Without his intervention, just think, we might have played it for two more before we realized that we're not having any fun.

 

[Victor1234]

I hate to break up the party, but I think the point has been made, and Totti is long gone

Alternatively, we could now plan a counter-raid against the HOI2 forum, but as a visitor of those specific forums, and a rule-respecting member of the Paradox forums, I'd rather not.

 

[MagisterMundi]

That's one thing that always bugged me about DD - there's little alt history involved. Not surprising perhaps given that its a WWII simulator. The timeframe is simply too short to turn a minor nation into a world beater. Even in the original HoI it was possible, with the different factory construction process, to achieve something meaningful with a minor.

Oh, it's quite possible, believe me. There's a fine art to it, that's all. I turned Haiti into THE naval superpower in my last game. But I digress - this is quite off topic.

And I agree with the idea of NOT raiding the HoI2 forums - as I am first and foremost a HoI2 loyalist, I would have to retaliate with atomic bombs. Swords vs. A-Bombs = You Lose.

 

[AdamCanada]

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nothing like taking time out of your life to say a game is boring on its message board. well, i guess what i just did ain't any better, but im a lab class waiting for the teacher to stop talking so we can do it.

i haven't played it yet, but im gunna very soon

 

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*sigh* I have such a dilemma. With such an AWESOME bundle of games I got off bundle (the Paradox crew: Crusader Kings, Hoi, Hoi2, EU2, Victoria) I simply don't know what to do! I've begun playing crusader kings for about a month deciding that I'd go in chronological order, but after reading a bit of the HoI2/EU2 manuals, I've gone berserk in wanting to try them all. But I guess I have some Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, because I wanted to finish at least one campaign of a game before moving on to the next game. To Crusade, to fight in WW2, to explore the New World, or fight in the Civil War/WW1 - what to do...

 

[Victor1234]

*sigh* I have such a dilemma. With such an AWESOME bundle of games I got off bundle (the Paradox crew: Crusader Kings, Hoi, Hoi2, EU2, Victoria) I simply don't know what to do! I've begun playing crusader kings for about a month deciding that I'd go in chronological order, but after reading a bit of the HoI2/EU2 manuals, I've gone berserk in wanting to try them all. But I guess I have some Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, because I wanted to finish at least one campaign of a game before moving on to the next game. To Crusade, to fight in WW2, to explore the New World, or fight in the Civil War/WW1 - what to do...

Do a grand campaign, 1066-1948.
This way, you can get every last bit of satisfaction from your purchases.