IMHO this game sucks. Its too easy, its too slow: I'm afraid its boring. No more CK for me, back to HOI2 DD.
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That was worth opening a new thread for.
Telling us the game isn't for everyone is something that had never occurred to us before.
Telling us the game isn't for everyone is something that had never occurred to us before.
CK and HOI2
D are two entirely different animals, perhaps the two most dissimilar of all the EU-type games, so comparing them is pretty pointless actually.
D are two entirely different animals, perhaps the two most dissimilar of all the EU-type games, so comparing them is pretty pointless actually.
Hallsten said:CK and HOI2
I know. I thought the concept of making my kingdom from "scratch" was so intruiging that I bought the game. But I found out that the tech development went so slow, as did everything else, that I couldn't be bothered anymore. If there had been more events, such as in HOI2 DD, the game would be more interesting. But that would be, as I understand, in conflict with the game's concept.
I also miss better diplomacy, international intrigue, a navy!, and micromanagment (army-wise, and province-wise).
Totti said:
Wouldn't it then be better to inform yourself a bit more about the game before buying it ?
What I don't understand is the fact that you want more events ? CK has by far the most events of all Paradoxgames, much more then HoI2 and HoI2DD combined, so this point of yours is not correct.
Veldmaarschalk said:
I will not stand corrected. These "events" are just general events: like "ooh, your bastard son has fallen off a horse". I would like more specific, gamechanging events, along the lines of HOI2DD.
And yes, I should have been more informed before i bought it. But it looked too cool.
You have to expect slowness from a game with a timespan of almost 400 years when compared to one with an active timespan of 10-15 years...Totti said:
The game is very undeterministic, so there's no "Blomberg and his skanky wife"-evets, but that's also very much WAD.
Regarding diplomacy and province micromanagement I think that there's more to CK than DD though. All in all it's a really really good game anyway...
Totti said:
What? I take it you haven't played as a minor count of Ireland or the Byzantine Emperor in 1066 on Hard/Aggressive AI.
There is no way you could call those easy.
Hallsten said:You have to expect slowness from a game with a timespan of almost 400 years when compared to one with an active timespan of 10-15 years...
The game is very undeterministic, so there's no "Blomberg and his skanky wife"-evets, but that's also very much WAD.
Regarding diplomacy and province micromanagement I think that there's more to CK than DD though. All in all it's a really really good game anyway...
I know its very undeterministic, much more so than DD can ever be. But the progression, and action is more present. I think that perhaps if you play CK for two hours and nothing happens (perhaps smallpox, if you're lucky) it qualifies for being boring. But then again, if you are a more active player, the game tends to be too easy. That IMHO is not a good game.
vertinox said:
But is that good fun? Sounds much more like a nightmare to me. Rebellions all the time and no light in the tunnel. Playing a count is much more like SIMS, than a strategy game.
English Patriot said:
Sorry?
I personally both find Crusader Kings and Doomsday quite fun to play in their own way.
Totti said:
Perhaps I was a tad vague, what I meant was, you could have been more specific about why you didn't particuarly enjoy CK, and why on earth you posted it in the first place, because heaven knows I'm not going to tailor make you a new CK-esque game.
English Patriot said:
Very kind of you to even consider making me a CK-esque game. I think I've have discussed my sentiments towards CK thoroghly, and the reason why I posted it in the first place was because of my frustration over the game. But you could have, if you don't like my post, not read it, ignore it, etc..
Totti said:
Well if you want something to happen you have to go do it...
Have you ever played as the King of Denmark and made an empire by taking over and converting the Pagans?
Have you even tried playing as the Kind of England and France and gone on a crusade?
I mean you could in theory not bother to do anything at all and the AI will generally leave you alone sometimes, but if you want something to happen you have to do it yourself.
Totti said:
Sarcasm! A man after my own heart, to be honest I didn't think you went into much detail other than, I miss navies! I miss micromanagement! this game is slow and boring! And so on,
First of all, if you didn't like the standard events, you could download one of the event mods, SMACK or BOPACK, maybe Velds alternative scenario set up, historically navies at this time worked in much the same way as CK portrays them. I feel there is enough Micromanagement as there needs to be without designing every little village. If the game is slow speed it up, if its boring do something, like Vertinox said, go on a crusade, start a fight or something. I for one find the 1936-1939 period dreadfully boring, but I don't go over to the DD forums and say "This game sucks"
to be fair, '36-'39, depending on the country and my own circumstances (LAN, SP, bored, have better things to do, whatever), is amazingly, agonizingly boring. far more so than CK is.
Yes, but as King of Norwayvertinox said:
Yesvertinox said:
vertinox said:
Surely, but the alternatives are war (which tends to be easy and soon become a quest for world domination), breeding (which tends to be all too repetetive
I wonder why...), and slowly developing your provinces. When I come to think of it, HoIDD is pretty much the same, except the breeding bit. But it has another dimension to it.
Myth said:
Really? I like to prepare for war. I almost never play the same country so it is like a new game every time.
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