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We do, we call it eire land. They call themselves eire we recognise that it's eireland, the land of the eire. It's basically a translation of the name they use themselves. Unlike Suomi Finland and Sapmi Lapland which are based on names we gave those peoples. Totaly unrealted to the names they use themselves. English translation names are ok as long as it's at least an attempt to use the name they use themselves.
Ok that might have been a bad example but than we should change persia or germany
 
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Wow. Thats precisely what I meant by threat to freedom of speach. I can't call smn a girl, cause it proves in some weird way that girls are worse than men. I can't call someone a faggot, cause that proves I'm homophobic. Overzeal is worse than nazism.

No, the fact that the truth hurts your feelings is not in fact worse than an ideology that caused the deaths of millions of people.
 
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What about changing Catalunya to Catalonia? This one is bothering me a lot more than Sapmi personally, because it's just the same word spelt in Catalan.

Yeah, that's been changed for 1.12. The general standard is to use English when there isn't a compelling reason not to (as there clearly is here).
 
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Yeah, that's been changed for 1.12. The general standard is to use English when there isn't a compelling reason not to (as there clearly is here).

Nice.

(Can you tell the CK2 team to do the same? :p At the moment we've got Danmark, Norge and Breizh sitting next to Sweden and Germany, with absolutely no logic or consistency.)
 
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No, the fact that the truth hurts your feelings is not in fact worse than an ideology that caused the deaths of millions of people.
It's a saying. Hey, it's part of my cultural heritage :D Arguing with this is politically incorrect, it discriminate polish people! (seriously though, it is just a saying.)
Racism is a belief. My use of word nigger does not show the belief that black race is worse than white one, it is Your interpretation. It shows my disregard for political correctness, and belief in freedom of speach being one of the most basic human rights. in situation where other insults would be considered somewhat acceptable (obviously I don't mean this forum. But I would be extremly surprised if any of You have never insulted anyone, f.e. at a moment of anger during an argument) nigger is just a word, as good or bad as any other. Isult is an insult, insulting a single person never implies hate towards an entire nation/relligion/race etc.
 
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Actually it's an established legal principal that hate speech isn't protected by free speech laws. And the N word is inherently hate speech when used as an insult in a racial context.
 
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It's a saying. Hey, it's part of my cultural heritage :D Arguing with this is politically incorrect, it discriminate polish people! (seriously though, it is just a saying.)
Racism is a belief. My use of word nigger does not show the belief that black race is worse than white one, it is Your interpretation. It shows my disregard for political correctness, and belief in freedom of speach being one of the most basic human rights. in situation where other insults would be considered somewhat acceptable (obviously I don't mean this forum. But I would be extremly surprised if any of You have never insulted anyone, f.e. at a moment of anger during an argument) nigger is just a word, as good or bad as any other. Isult is an insult, insulting a single person never implies hate towards an entire nation/relligion/race etc.

No, you're just racist and I have now infracted you for it. Perhaps you should find another forum more susceptible to your particular idea of Freedom of Speech, such as Stormfront.

This discussion about racism is hereby over.
 
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Oh, I'm sure we'll survive, the continental powers of Europe have been trying to subjugate us for the last millennium, with scant success since the Conquest. It's simply a matter of courtesy, but there are no laws that require one to be courteous if they would rather not be.
Being dutch id like to point out that the Netherlands invaded great Britain rather successfully in 1688 and installed dutch stadtholder William of Orange as it's new monarch. ^^
 

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Wow. Thats precisely what I meant by threat to freedom of speach. I can't call smn a girl, cause it proves in some weird way that girls are worse than men. I can't call someone a faggot, cause that proves I'm homophobic. Overzeal is worse than nazism.

Freedom of speech does not mean what you think it means. It also is not freedom of interpretation, freedom from judgment, or freedom from response! You can call me a retarded lapp faggot if you want and I'll wholeheartedly defend your right to do so... from government censorship. What you aren't entitled to is freedom from people thinking you're a stupid bigot for saying as much, or for a private entity (eg Paradox) from silencing you in their owned medium (eg a message board). It also doesn't extend everywhere; American freedom of speech is not universal - you Godwin'd, so lets go with that - Germans do NOT have freedom of speech or expression when it comes to certain Nazi elements as an example, and Paradox abides by this by avoiding things like swastikas even in a ww2 game series like hearts of iron.

Furthermore, you keep saying the word "can't" when you don't seem to know what that means either. You CAN call someone a girl in a derogatory manner, whether it's saying you throw like a girl (implying girls in a negative) or saying man up (implying men are a positive). You can call someone a faggot too. You can even call someone a faggoty little girl if you really want. What you can't do is call someone a girl, faggot, or faggoty girl and not have people immediately conclude you are sexist, homophobic, or both. Just because you are allowed to say something doesn't mean it's right, good, worthwhile, or liable to be well received.

In this case, Paradox can call it Lapland if they damn well please. They could also call all the native Americans "Indians" and really screw with everyone. They CAN, but it's a stupid idea, so they're going to call them more appropriate and inoffensive terms. Just because you're able/allowed to be offensive doesn't make it a good idea.

It's a saying. Hey, it's part of my cultural heritage :D Arguing with this is politically incorrect, it discriminate polish people! (seriously though, it is just a saying.)
Racism is a belief. My use of word nigger does not show the belief that black race is worse than white one, it is Your interpretation. It shows my disregard for political correctness, and belief in freedom of speach being one of the most basic human rights. in situation where other insults would be considered somewhat acceptable (obviously I don't mean this forum. But I would be extremly surprised if any of You have never insulted anyone, f.e. at a moment of anger during an argument) nigger is just a word, as good or bad as any other. Isult is an insult, insulting a single person never implies hate towards an entire nation/relligion/race etc.

The difference between me calling you a nigger and me calling you an idiot is that idiot is offensive at its base, while nigger is offensive by negative/derogatory association. This is why things like fag and retard are frowned upon as insults, while saying stupid or ugly are merely insulting but not offensive.
 
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No, you're just racist and I have now infracted you for it. Perhaps you should find another forum more susceptible to your particular idea of Freedom of Speech (that is, the right to hurt whoever you want and not be criticised over it), such as Stormfront.

This discussion about racism is hereby over.

I can edit my post with apologies; things moved quickly!
 

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Being dutch id like to point out that the Netherlands invaded great Britain rather successfully in 1688 and installed dutch stadtholder William of Orange as it's new monarch. ^^

And the French landed in 1216, and there where a few "private" invasions by one noble or another. The famous boast that England has avoided foreign invasion since 1066 is only correct in very technical terms.
 
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Boy, you're cruising for a banning aren't you? As Wiz said, if you want to be a racist, there are other boards for that. No one here wants to read it.
No, I had this written down, I calmed down and accidently (thats why I deleted it almost imidiatelly) hit the post reply button. As Wiz said, the discussion about racism is over, I accept this. This was off-topic, and for that I sincerly apologize. This is not a place for that kind of discussion, I'm sorry. (I don't want to be racist, neither I am such.)
 

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The difference between me calling you a nigger and me calling you an idiot is that idiot is offensive at its base, while nigger is offensive by negative/derogatory association. This is why things like fag and retard are frowned upon as insults, while saying stupid or ugly are merely insulting but not offensive.

Stupid and idiot are former terms for the mentally retarded. Ugly implies that people who are not aesthetically pleasing in a particular society are inferior. Extending further, bastard is offensive against people born out of wedlock (and as Paradox games show us, to be called one was a severe stain on your honor in medieval times).

The reason these words aren't offensive is because the people in question largely stopped being offended by them, not that they were never offensive. I don't believe there are many insults, if any, that don't have some offensive basis or could be construed as having one. We just pick and choose which ones are the bad words and which ones are ok.
 
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  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Prison Architect
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • Magicka: Wizard Wars Founder Wizard
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • 500k Club
  • Victoria 2
Since people are still going on despite me saying to stop, this thread is now locked.
 
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