bomber/cas mechanics

[Dojo704]

Hey everyone,

I´ve watched the last WWW episodes and a question arised in my mind. It was said that planes (cas) would help out in a battle. I like that, but does this also mean that without your own ground units in a state your sturmoviks assigned to it can do no dmg because they can "only" assist in ground fighting?

Greetings

 

[LordOfWar16]

of course not. They can assist in battle and can of course attack enemy ground units. Thats what ground attack missions are for overall. Only because they can assist in battle it doesnt mean that they can only do that.

edit: after further inspections i am actually not that sure about it anymore. We will find out in 64 days at latest.

 

[kalauer]

In the earlier WWW, we saw some statistics, including "enemy troops bombed". But I don't know whether these are only those bombed during ongoing ground battles. Was there an instance in which no ground battles were going on so we could be sure?

Added a Screen of www4 that seems to imply only enemy troops in ground combat are attacked.

I believe tactical Bombers do not have a different support Mission (but strategic bombing capability).

 

[Denkt]

We felt that the role of air support in HOI3 was not really showing off its historical importance, so decided to make it vital in HOI4. First of all having air superiority over the area you are fighting limits the enemy’s ability to defend properly (its hard to dig trenches when someone is strafing you) as well as slowing down movement (its really hard to drive a truck when someone is strafing you). Planes can also directly join combats unlike HOI3 where they had their own separate combats they now join with the ground forces and when this happens it even gives a bonus to your divisions fighting ability (its a really good morale boost when a plane is strafing the enemy). Enemy divisions with AA battalions or support companies can fire back of course, but to remove the effects of air superiority completely you need your own flyboys to help out.

 

[LordOfWar16]

In the earlier WWW, we saw some statistics, including "enemy troops bombed". But I don't know whether these are only those bombed during ongoing ground battles. Was there an instance in which no ground battles were going on so we could be sure?

Added a Screen of www4 that seems to imply only enemy troops in ground combat are attacked.

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I believe tactical Bombers do not have a different support Mission (but strategic bombing capability).

Did they remove the ground attack mission and swap it for the close air support mission or something? Would be very odd if they really couldnt fight groundtroops on their own at all anymore.

 

[kalauer]

@Denkt 's Quote of Johan (from the DD on air combat) says that they also affect units out of combat. But this was a very early DD and some Information might be outdated. But I think planes will not damage ground troops out of combat, but only hinder them, and only deal damage when assisting in ground combat.

Link to DD7: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-iron-iv-developer-diary-7-air-combat.788673/

 

[potski]

@Denkt 's Quote of Johan (from the DD on air combat) says that they also affect units out of combat. But this was a very early DD and some Information might be outdated. But I think planes will not damage ground troops out of combat, but only hinder them, and only deal damage when assisting in ground combat.

I agree planes can affect units not in combat, but Johan is clearly referring to fighters carrying out air superiority missions, which affect movement and dig-in speed of ground units. CAS/TAC do not, since they can't carry out air superiority missions. Their only support role is in bombing missions when combat takes place.

 

[grandad1982]

Did they remove the ground attack mission and swap it for the close air support mission or something? Would be very odd if they really couldnt fight groundtroops on their own at all anymore.

They have the same ground attack mission as CAS. You can see Daniel use it in www

 

[kalauer]

In WWW today at 33:30 we heard that naval Bombers will attack ships without fights going on in the Region. Still unsure whether this is true for ground battles too, though.