Bohuslën/Båhuslen

[Metz]

Not all provinces have dynamic province names. Feel free to use the suggestions forum to suggest more of them and they may be added (especially in a case such as this when a country starts with a province but it's named in the language of a future conqueror)

There are over 3000 provinces in the game and quite a lot of cultures so when some provinces lacks dynamic province names for some cultures, even if they make sense and seem obvious, It's likely more related to us not having thought of it rather than a conscious decision

Do you guys use ñ and umlaut letters?

 

[Barnham]

This thread is off topic anyway, so I'll join in. Endonymmap.com shows Montenegro uses crna gora (except using the Cyrillic alphabet which I can't type on my phone.) What more fitting name is there? The closest I know of is maybe Zeta or Duklja, but I don't think those are accurate.

 

[Selvas]

Do you guys use ñ and umlaut letters?

I wonder why in Polish naming they only sometimes use ó when they should and don't use other Polish letters like ą, ę, ć, ł, ń, ś, ź, ż.

 

[grommile]

I wonder why in Polish naming they only sometimes use ó when they should and don't use other Polish letters like ą, ę, ć, ł, ń, ś, ź, ż.

Because historically the game has used only the characters available in Code Page 1252, which doesn't contain those characters.

 

[Tom013]

Because historically the game has used only the characters available in Code Page 1252, which doesn't contain those characters.

It would be further reasonable because English uses words with accented vowels (particularly with diaeresis but also the acute and grave marks), but never, to my knowledge, sees use of any modified consonants*.

The game is, after all, in English even if the names are not from English.

*save the occasional tilde in loan words from Spanish, but even then it is often omitted, e.g. jalapeno instead of jalapeño.

 

[petertel123]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ovince-name-suggestions.862377/#post-20079699
shamelessly linking my own thread here

 

[Demetrios]

English often shows an irrational preference for French placenames (sometimes also Italian ones). For instance Aachen used to be known as Aix-la-Chapelle in English (even though it's unnecessarily long) and Ieper is known even today as Ypres (even though Ieper is actually easier for English speakers to pronounce).

Another naming anomaly is Montenegro. Why in the 21st century is most of the world still using the *Venetian* name for a Slavic country?

Ieper/Ypers kept the French version of the name since in WW1 the Belgian maps were all in French (as it was the official language of the country of the time) and Ieper/Ypres became so well known as a result of the war that it kept the French form out of convention. Most cities in Belgium would have been known by the French forms at the time; most of the Dutch ones have reverted back to their Dutch forms since, other than the fair number that have unique English forms (due to the historical ties between England and the Low Countries) like Antwerp or Ghent.

Other than Cologne, the Frenchified German ones have pretty much all reverted. I still remember reading older historical works or seeing maps that puzzled me with "Treves" or "Spires" or (shudder) "Mayence"; luckily those days seem to be long over...

 

[Glacierfairy]

English often shows an irrational preference for French placenames (sometimes also Italian ones). For instance Aachen used to be known as Aix-la-Chapelle in English (even though it's unnecessarily long) and Ieper is known even today as Ypres (even though Ieper is actually easier for English speakers to pronounce).

Another naming anomaly is Montenegro. Why in the 21st century is most of the world still using the *Venetian* name for a Slavic country?

Interestingly, the Chinese opted to translate Crna Gora directly and call it 黑山 (hēishān), or "black mountain".

 

[jacobsighs]

The most surprising thing for English to do is refer to a foreign city by its unmodified native name

Reminds me of a poor joke I made when I was younger:

"Niemcy mają więcej; Włochy mają włosy"

 

[Incompetent]

Ieper/Ypers kept the French version of the name since in WW1 the Belgian maps were all in French (as it was the official language of the country of the time) and Ieper/Ypres became so well known as a result of the war that it kept the French form out of convention. Most cities in Belgium would have been known by the French forms at the time; most of the Dutch ones have reverted back to their Dutch forms since, other than the fair number that have unique English forms (due to the historical ties between England and the Low Countries) like Antwerp or Ghent.

Actually regarding Belgium, it's worse than that. There is still a prevalent belief in the UK that Belgium is a mostly French-speaking country. (The French also often believe this, but they have an understandable reason to be biased towards their own language.) For instance in the film 'In Bruges' (note the French name is still in use in English), the locals speak with Francophone accents, and the brewery Stella Artois constantly advertises its products as if they are from a French-speaking place (maybe playing on the 'Artois' name, though the company is based in Leuven).

 

[spyroware1]

Other than Cologne, the Frenchified German ones have pretty much all reverted. I still remember reading older historical works or seeing maps that puzzled me with "Treves" or "Spires" or (shudder) "Mayence"; luckily those days seem to be long over...

People forget that French used to be the language of diplomacy so if you wanted to send a letter to the archbishop of Mainz/Trier/Cologne you'd address it to the prince-électeur de Mayence/Trèves/Cologne. This is one of the reasons the French names really caught on after the Napoleonic wars, because of the increased diplomatic dealings in the Continent. The English names were Mentz/Triers/Cullen - they all survive as surnames.

I for one love traditional exonyms. St. Yves for Setúbal, Coleyn (alternative to Cullen) for Cologne, Osnaburg for Osnabruck, Lunenburg for Lüneburg, Hainault with the old (french) spelling with the L for Hainaut, Dauphiny for Dauphiné, Saragossa, Sleswick/Brunswick, Ottoman Beç for Vienna, Rosetta/Damietta for Rashid/Dumyat, Angora etc. I'd love an option where instead of dynamic names we get traditional exonyms and old-time national spellings eg Graetz, Leipsic, Dantzic - especially uniform Postal Map spelling for all Chinese provinces. It adds a lot to historical immersion!

 

[GulMacet]

especially uniform Postal Map spelling for all Chinese provinces

u wot m8? Please either uniform Pinyin or uniform Wade-Giles, but not that horror!

 

[Simoleum]

Interestingly, the Chinese opted to translate Crna Gora directly and call it 黑山 (hēishān), or "black mountain".

Same with Icelandic: Svartfjellaland (lit. black mountain land)

 

[JJJBassist]

Interestingly, the Chinese opted to translate Crna Gora directly and call it 黑山 (hēishān), or "black mountain".

well, MonteNegro probably means something different than Crna Gora or "Schwarzenberg"

 

[kvk]

well, MonteNegro probably means something different than Crna Gora or "Schwarzenberg"

What do you mean? isn't the literal translation of Montenegro black mountain? Monte= mountain and Negro= black, I don't know if that's right though, so correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[aragonFTW]

Cologne is dying out in English too, I see Koln more and more in English use though of course we refuse to use or type those filthy foreign umlauts.

Really, I wish these exonyms were only used like dynamic provinces if conquered, changed culture, or in personal union. But for provinces in the OP around scandinavia and rightful norweigan clay like the islands, there is no excuse not to use the proper accented names.

 

[Ethanol]

Actually regarding Belgium, it's worse than that. There is still a prevalent belief in the UK that Belgium is a mostly French-speaking country. (The French also often believe this, but they have an understandable reason to be biased towards their own language.) For instance in the film 'In Bruges' (note the French name is still in use in English), the locals speak with Francophone accents, and the brewery Stella Artois constantly advertises its products as if they are from a French-speaking place (maybe playing on the 'Artois' name, though the company is based in Leuven).

I also get a feeling that for the UK the only part of belgium that exists is flanders (understandable with the WW1 heritage) which with what you say makes for a pretty funny situation. Being a french speaking belgian that travels a lot I do get the impression that between the two parts of belgium (flanders and wallonia) flanders is over represented abroad.

The more I learn about history the more i'm starting to think that cultural names for places are only set in stone by the people who are trying to exploit the cultural particularity by invoking nationalism in order to gain a political advantage. There is absolutely no reason why people of different cultures could live in the same city and have different names for it (bruxelles or brussels, Ypres or Iepers). Especially when you realise that current day political borders where defined on the basis of anything but cultural arguments at the time. (Go figure if the 16th century peasants of modern day artois and flanders where speaking french for the first and flemish for the second, the truth is that they where probably speaking a dialect between the two and that the cultural pression bought by the centralization of the states helped normalize their language.

 

[Tacticus101]

Actually regarding Belgium, it's worse than that. There is still a prevalent belief in the UK that Belgium is a mostly French-speaking country. (The French also often believe this, but they have an understandable reason to be biased towards their own language.) For instance in the film 'In Bruges' (note the French name is still in use in English), the locals speak with Francophone accents, and the brewery Stella Artois constantly advertises its products as if they are from a French-speaking place (maybe playing on the 'Artois' name, though the company is based in Leuven).

Isnt it technically true? Whilst Flemish is the most spoken first language, French actually has the greater proportion of speakers when you include those who speak it as second language.

 

[JJJBassist]

What do you mean? isn't the literal translation of Montenegro black mountain? Monte= mountain and Negro= black, I don't know if that's right though, so correct me if i'm wrong.

it is(I just failed to express Irony properly). Schwarzenberg was the german name in Austria-Hungary(according to the german Wikipedia page).

 

[Homusubi]

Actually, in the UK, public perception of Belgium doesn't extend beyond Brussels (source: from UK), so... you're both right and both wrong at the same time.

The Ypres thing was probably to do with most of the soldiers being French...