It just seems rather high. Proportionately speaking, that is. Granted, I have not been keeping a running count, but it feels a bit much. Or am I wrong?
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The assumption has always been* that in a 3 pack game the starting ratio is 50:50.
My guess from what we can tell so far is 3 packs of 4 players(3 wolves + 1 cultist). We started with 37 players, so that would be very low but we haven;t seen any sorcerers.
*No idea where that came from or if SoL ever subscribed to it.
My guess from what we can tell so far is 3 packs of 4 players(3 wolves + 1 cultist). We started with 37 players, so that would be very low but we haven;t seen any sorcerers.
*No idea where that came from or if SoL ever subscribed to it.
This might be the first 3 pack game I played. 50/50 would be a good laugh. But maybe possible given the cultist rules as I understand them.
I think sbr might be right about Johho... but Panzer Commader is also a possible black wolf. Since I see no other candidates named yet:
Vote Panzer
Vote Panzer
We have killed 3 original Black Wolves.
The Black Pack has had 2 no kill nights and we have seen 2 Formerly Cursed Black Wolves.
Therefore the only way Panzer could be a Black wolf is if there were 4 wolves in the pack from the start; and the seer scanned Panzer so he can't be an original wolf.
EDIT: Or the stupid Cultist to Wolf rule and each pack had more than 1 cultist, but I would be surprised since we haven't seen any other cultists.
Could Vainglory be a turned wolf, maybe Pink from last night?
He seems to have gone full retard*.
*No offense to anyone, just a movie quote.
He seems to have gone full retard*.
*No offense to anyone, just a movie quote.
And just to be sure
Vote johho
I am jumping the bandwagon, and killing any sort of "methodical" play but as much as I love him johho is the best and really only option today.
Vote johho
I am jumping the bandwagon, and killing any sort of "methodical" play but as much as I love him johho is the best and really only option today.
From Day 3 Panzer consistently votes in favor of Dire pack. He was seer scanned, but reading the Ithvan-Tonka exchange, not Priest scanned. He could be a cultist who attached ~Day 2. We've only seen 3 cultists dead in this game so far, which is so few the priest's job is a joke, and that's without considering that cultists with a dead master flip to wolves, so there's even less for a priest to find. Dire also presumably found either Euro or Hax, because otherwise they started with 3 wolves 2 cultists which is seemingly more than the other packs (zero Worg cultists for example, and one Timber, whereas if each group had two starting cultists we'd expect to have killed at least one more from Timber or Worg). Maybe they had a way to find cultists, and Panzer got attached then?We have killed 3 original Black Wolves.
The Black Pack has had 2 no kill nights and we have seen 2 Formerly Cursed Black Wolves.
Therefore the only way Panzer could be a Black wolf is if there were 4 wolves in the pack from the start; and the seer scanned Panzer so he can't be an original wolf.
May I say, no offense to anyone, you're a full blown cunt, sbr?
I know it fucks up your methods, but the majority of the players here know nothing and their votes should be treated as such.
SoL made it clear in his updates when we killed a cultist-turned-wolf.
It was made clear that Hax was a Red cultist and switched to Black.
We have to find an original Pink wolf and Panzer is a terrible choice for that.
SoL made it clear in his updates when we killed a cultist-turned-wolf.
It was made clear that Hax was a Red cultist and switched to Black.
We have to find an original Pink wolf and Panzer is a terrible choice for that.
When I joined it was "you can lynch anyone you like but if it's not a baddie you lose the trait." Naturally an outed wolf leader would lynch the mouthpiece in retaliation. The next day the game slowed to a halt as everyone went through the ritual of voting the confirmed wofl. People who got randomly sent to the gallows in place of the actual lynchee were often quite pissed off, especially if they were essentially just bystanders and their game got ruined so someone else could stay in.
That led to the must have at least X% votes of the condemned in order to be a valid target. Which as I said means what aedan777 did was totally avoidable - but Tonka did give us an hour and ten minutes which I'd have thought would be enough to get the shift onto aedan777 so I can't blame him for it.
About the time I was here there was a push against % chances, one that I goosed along because I think % chances are annoying. If you're on the receiving end of a bad roll, it's frustrating, and if you're trying to use a trait and it fails due to a roll, that's also irksome. I want traits I can deploy tactically and get a useful outcome. Predictability of outcome when used also helps game balance. This isn't Dungeons and Dragons, I'd rather not be a slave to the dicelords. Witness fell into that category, so it went by the wayside.
I know that. But Panzer doesn't do it once or twice he does it again and again. Day 3 votes Puchas when Hax is a contender. Day 4 votes Glio when Hax is the leading candidate. Day 5 votes Arkasas, sexytoes is a contender. Day 6 votes Arkasas, Sexytoes is coming second. Day 7 votes Glio, sexytoes is the third candidate. This is the same guy who wanted a tie yesterday - and you think he's not suspicious?
... and? So? Therefore? I specifically refered to that mechanism in my post, and I mention Hax and Euro as cultists, which they began as before they flipped. This just gives credence to my point - we should have seen more than 3 cultists by now.
Which only adds to the idea that Dire had some means of detecting/enticing cultists. Hax had to switch of his own free will.
Wait, wait, wait - I just realized: you said before we killed three original Dire wolves - we haven't. We've killed two Dire wolves, two cursed Direwolves, and two cultists, including Hax who you say was taken from Worg. That being the case we see Worg had three starting wolves and a cultist - that's the bodycount for Worg. Timber has had a cultist and two dead wolves plus a cursed. Why are you insisting there's a Timberwolf left and not a Direwolf? They're in the same boat for starting player deaths: two dead starting wolves, one dead starting cultist. If packs are symmetrical there's a Direwolf and Timberwolf left since Worg had 3 wolves 1 cultist to start, if they're symmetrical it can be more than that but not less; it's entirely possible that there's another baddie for each pack, since 15:22 bad:good for a 3 pack big is if anything goodie balanced, albeit the 5 known curses (Sexytoes, Seamus, aedan777, plus the_hdk and videonfan) maybe tip it to favoring baddies. Whatever the case, I can't see any reason for you to say pursue Timber but not Dire.
Well, unless you're a Direwolf yourself...
I have found several color misses that I corrected. It's the search and replace and if you happen to spell things wrong or not have blanks around it. As fo the hunt night that must have been a copy and past thing.
sbr, I agree on the 3+1 / pack starting setupe because the seer scan only had four unscanned players and 4+1 would make for too many remaining starting wolves. (Could still be 3+2 I guess but seems unlikely).
I think you have the hunt nights right. Two turned blacks must make them the ones that hunts 0,3,...
But I think you have it wrong for how many there is left. My notes says 1 original Pink, 1 original Black and 1 possible turned Red from night 4. Last night could be a turned but it's hard to tell the color since that depends on if there was a turned or not night 4.
Of the four seer unscanned (if we are to believe tonka's list) I think Cliges and Skobolev (could be anything) have the worst voting record, Chieron the best (not Pink, not Black) and me (not Pink) in between (check for yourselves). I suggest we got for the original wolves first and worry about any turneds afterwards.
vote Cliges
Official Votecount - 11hrs 48mins to Deadline
Johho888 - (3) - Panzer Commader [2546], Tonkatoy5 [2547], Sbr [2567]
Cliges - (1) - Johho888 [2572]
Panzer Commader - (1) - Vainglory [2564]
Not Voted - J. Passepartout, Jacob Lundgren, Chieron, Cliges, Gen Skobelev
You're joking. You ARE joking.
I can't believe my ears!
Would somebody shut this player up?
I'm drowning in my tears!
It's funny
I'm laughing
You really are too much
And now, without your permission
I'm gonna do my stuff...
Yeah there should be an origInal Black, a bit dRunk last night. Sorry.
Either way my point about the seer list stands. Until err find the lay 2 starting wolves the seer list is the way to go.
Either way my point about the seer list stands. Until err find the lay 2 starting wolves the seer list is the way to go.
I'm sad I got hunted and I'm not in anymore, but this game got way more interesting after I died.
I feel like Johho and sbr both make reasonable points, so I am unsure how to vote. I think I will do this:
VOTE JOHHO
If he is right, I think we still have time to follow up his ideas after his regrettable death.
VOTE JOHHO
If he is right, I think we still have time to follow up his ideas after his regrettable death.