Well in that case, wouldn't the victim's family simply choose to do nothing? Nothing's rather easy to do, after all... : /
Blood for blood - a request for an option to execute murderers
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There are always options to make things more fleshed out; prisoners for example could maybe appeal to the general public/your courtiers to be spared (diplomacy?), or they could directly try offer to pay off their crimes, maybe find someone to destroy/fake evidence (intrigue?) or maybe someone of their dynasty somewhere else in power could try to diplomatically interfere, or of course your liege/the Pope/the Emperor/whoever ...
... but first imo the basics should be fixed. And that at least means making executing someone under certain circumstances a viable option.
... but first imo the basics should be fixed. And that at least means making executing someone under certain circumstances a viable option.
Nothing I've read supports the idea of free extra-judicial killing as punishment for murder. When I asked for sources I was interested in maybe a book that discusses in depth the subject. I presume you've read something of that nature?
Besides, no character in-game commits murder. People are murdered 'on the orders of....'
I just want to echo the OP. It's insane that I can't punish people I know have commited murders in my own court, especially against my own family.
What do you think the "feud" in Feudalism is for? It wasn't even really extra-judicial killing, as "you killed my kin, I kill you/your relative" WAS the law in many to most places at the time. Along the way some places developed notions of a due process, but really your liege sentencing you to death consisted of due process in most cases.
Depending on your laws/social techs, maybe you should get restrictions on executions, insisting on trials, or maybe even having a Magna Carta imposed on you by your vassals. But even then I should be allowed to arrest and try the perpetrator (the GoT mod implemented this, allowing for court trials and trials by combat).
What do you think the "feud" in Feudalism is for? It wasn't even really extra-judicial killing, as "you killed my kin, I kill you/your relative" WAS the law in many to most places at the time. Along the way some places developed notions of a due process, but really your liege sentencing you to death consisted of due process in most cases.
Depending on your laws/social techs, maybe you should get restrictions on executions, insisting on trials, or maybe even having a Magna Carta imposed on you by your vassals. But even then I should be allowed to arrest and try the perpetrator (the GoT mod implemented this, allowing for court trials and trials by combat).
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I agree as well. I think executing, without penalty, should be an option. Not just for murderers but, anyone who commits an act of "treason". It would depend on your play style of course. You could still banish or leave imprisoned etc. This may not be the thread for this but I was thinking that the plots could be expanded to include something along the lines of "fabricate charges of treason" giving you lawful imprisonment. This might be a way for a King to get rid of an unruly vassal or even his infertile wife. (Henry VIII style) :laugh:
Also, perhaps a burning option for heretics. This would depend on your realms religion. Could come with some positive and negative relations hits as well as possible traits. Just a thought.
Also, perhaps a burning option for heretics. This would depend on your realms religion. Could come with some positive and negative relations hits as well as possible traits. Just a thought.
I second this. Executions and banishment are useless right now. Executing someone give 20 penalty which is already big- and antagonize heir of executed. So I'm only changing enemy for worse relations. Banishment is useless entirely- 120 penalty for duke means that for banishing him I'll be dethroned in days. If someone breaks the law, he should be arrested or executed without penalty. Or both.
I believe banishment needs to be split in two. One would involve abdication if there's an heir, and the other is the standard procedure where we take their stuff for our own.
I can see why vassals might get upset at me stripping someone's titles, but if they've been rather dishonorable towards me (trying to murder my sons), I should be able to remove them from power.
Personally, I'd like to execute them, cook them in a pie, and then serve it to their relatives. That's how I roll.
Why wouldn't your court get annoyed over you executing other Courtiers? Sure you might think they deserve it, but everyone else is more worried that they might be next.
It's stupid because the penalty for executing a random courties for no reason and the penalty for executing the Lunatic and Possessed crazy courtier who murdered your 6 years old son is the same.
They don't have any more to fear being next in line for execution than being next in line for assassination - I don't see why they'd be less worried about a murderer running around freely than a just liege ^^;
It seems a little silly not being able to punish criminals accordingly considering in the time period the punishment for petty theft was a noose or an axe in your neck. I'd imagine that most people would look the other way if a duke openly revolted against the king of France and he was executed following his defeat, as of now all you can do is plot to murder them in return. Because of this I had to murder my own sister since she wouldn't drop her plot to kill me and I couldn't imprison her since she was in a foreign court
Being King and not being able to kill the murderer of your son is completely stupid... Being King and not being able to kill someone convicted of High Treason is even stupider @.@ If a guy rebels against me, he should be killed.
I usually just stick them in the dungeon for the rest of their lives and await the inevitable torture events.
Best one so far: pregnant second wife murdered my five year-old son and heir, I imprisoned her, second wife gave birth to a daughter who I released from prison, six years later my character and his daughter tortured the second wife to death.....
Best one so far: pregnant second wife murdered my five year-old son and heir, I imprisoned her, second wife gave birth to a daughter who I released from prison, six years later my character and his daughter tortured the second wife to death.....
Yes. There's an occasional event where, if you have prisoners in the dungeon and children in your court, your children will experiment with torture. If you have the right traits, you can join in.
Huh, I thought you were talking about the general torture events, I've never seen that one. I usually make my heirs kind and just so I don't get to use those awesome events as much as I would like.
Which is exactly the problem with the OP's suggestion. It belongs to the 16th century at the earliest, not to the 11th-15th.
I'm starting to think that discussing something with a bunch of people who have no idea what they are talking about is pointless. Can somebody provide a decent reference (ie not wikipedia) ?