Blood for blood - a request for an option to execute murderers

[Me_]

Playing as king of Denmark my wife was killed by a baron in a plot. I could not punish him, well I probably could imprison him, but that would serve no purpose, given that there is no way to execute or banish people without hurting vassal relations.
My son was murdered by a vassal bishop and his duchy inherited by his daughter. The bishop lived a long and happy live, probably bragging about his murder in his sermons.
Let us imprison and execute at least those who murdered our close kin. And while we're at it, let us also demand that other rulers hand over those responsible for the murder of close relatives (diplomatic action) if they are their subjects and if they refuse let us start a war (that would result in the murderer becoming our prisoner if successful).

 

[WankoStankins]

If they're caught in the murder they should get a trait allowing them to be executed/banished/jailed without penalty.

 

[Emre Yigit]

I second this. I had my heir - a baby - killed by a distant kinsman, and could legally do nothing.

At a time when the definition of treason was looking at the royal family in the wrong way, I find it incredible that the perpetrators of such a heinous deed could not be found. Frankly, if the people who ordered it could not be found, a scapegoat would be!

 

[Te. Kenzo]

Yes, actually there is no time where is good do an execution

 

[TheGreatSnoop]

Yes, actually there is no time where is good do an execution

Apart from if you capture a character during a war, then you can execute them without any penalty.

Although it seems the majority of the time they are mayors...so killing them is a bit pointless really.

 

[Pyoro]

Taking ransom money is much more profitable in basically all cases...I might have executed maybe 3 or 4 characters in like 10 games, and that was mostly "just because". In quite a lot of cases it's even pointless to kill your worst enemy, eg if he has a rather stable dynasty his heir will just take over and that's about it. Can be much more efficient to keep the guy in jail instead.

Bit of a shame. There should be a satisfying reward for some evil, as mentioned revenge or preventing danger to your dynasty by efficiently taking out personal enemies of your dynasty or whatever...

 

[FabiusBile]

I second this. People that kill my wife/sons should not be able to draw breath and damage relations with my vassals when executed. I mean it is not like this is some small crime in a feudal world. I should be able to punish people freely for this. I'm pretty sure not many Vassals would survive the killing of an heir apparebt in medieval times, unless in rebellion.

Actually, the only good reason to imprison someone is when you're byzantine. Atleast then you can blind them and force them to deal with lower stats and so on. Right now releasing Prisoners or ransoming is nearly always the best option.

 

[FabiusBile]

Taking ransom money is much more profitable in basically all cases...I might have executed maybe 3 or 4 characters in like 10 games, and that was mostly "just because". In quite a lot of cases it's even pointless to kill your worst enemy, eg if he has a rather stable dynasty his heir will just take over and that's about it. Can be much more efficient to keep the guy in jail instead.

Bit of a shame. There should be a satisfying reward for some evil, as mentioned revenge or preventing danger to your dynasty by efficiently taking out personal enemies of your dynasty or whatever...

Maybe you actually should get prestige for executing Persons (accoridng to rank of course) that have commited such crimes. From a feudal worldview it makes a lot of sense that the execution of Ursupers and Kinslayers/Murderers would strengthen the position of the Lord as his punishment was deemed "just" and righteous.

 

[RustyTurban]

You should get free arrest if somebody murders the heir to the throne or anybody in your line of succession. AFAIK you get a free CB in the Game of Thrones mod if they do it.

Also is was considered extremely dishonorable to execute a prisoner captured in battle, you should lose prestige if you do it and get a relations malus with all characters. Historically the most common thing would have been a long house arrest and big ransom. Releasing anybody too unimportant

 

[Galaahd]

I totally agree.

Sometimes courtiers go nuts because they're either Possessed / Lunatic, they kill my son, and I can't even execute them?

 

[Bellicosity]

I second both calls in this thread. To imprison characters found to have committed a crime and to have certain instances where murder is allowed

 

[Ryasyr]

Playing as king of Denmark my wife was killed by a baron in a plot. I could not punish him, well I probably could imprison him, but that would serve no purpose, given that there is no way to execute or banish people without hurting vassal relations.
My son was murdered by a vassal bishop and his duchy inherited by his daughter. The bishop lived a long and happy live, probably bragging about his murder in his sermons.
Let us imprison and execute at least those who murdered our close kin. And while we're at it, let us also demand that other rulers hand over those responsible for the murder of close relatives (diplomatic action) if they are their subjects and if they refuse let us start a war (that would result in the murderer becoming our prisoner if successful).

seconded

 

[Casiru]

I had one of my characters daughters murdered so a guy could become count, can't do anything about it without my vassals hating me. At that point it seemed like a legitimate option to console kill him.

 

[Manic Eskimo]

/signed

as long as the AI recognizes that it's in it's best interest to also execute murderers. So much more risk is involved for the player in killing the liege's heir.

 

[Trunting]

I normally execute murderers having killed my children for roleplay purposes. Although it would be nice to be able to execute more people without that penalty. A king of France, who executes a servant for poisening someone, wouldnt have been considered as tyrant.

 

[Gqarz]

There is a flip side to this request. If you get the right to jail/execute people who murder your close kin, then the ai will also get the option to jail/execute you when your trusty assassins blab your name after a botched or successful murder attempt. Now, don't get me wrong, I favor some form of penalty for getting caught.

If you put things in the light of the times, NOBODY would accuse one of the landed/church classes of a serious crime based on the testimony of a member of the lower classes. It simply didn't happen. The lords of the land viewed the lower classes as people without honor, and as such, you could not take them at their word. Lords and churchmen did get caught, but, usually only with some form of concrete proof to back up the word of the landless' testimony. Some examples would be letters/documents bearing the official seal of the lord in question, or a token that the lord would never be without. (a ring, seal, etc.)

 

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Apart from if you capture a character during a war, then you can execute them without any penalty.

Although it seems the majority of the time they are mayors...so killing them is a bit pointless really.

In 1.06, I killed high martial prisoners if I thought it was likely I would fight them again. This is less important now that courtier spam is in effect from all the retinues.

 

[MrWeRD]

Not only that, I want to execute the dukes who rebel against me, ransom be damn!

 

[grisamentum]

Yeah this seems like a really obvious and silly oversight.

There are actually a lot of interpersonal/justice results that need to be expanded, but executing traitors and murderers is among the most obvious.

Executing heretics is possibly another, depending on religion/laws/culture.

 

[Tempestra]

I'm guessing that, at the times when the game informs you who the killer is but you don't get the option to imprison them for free, you know who they are, but can't prove it to the satisfaction of the rest of the nobility. So, while you know that imprisoning them is justice, to others it seems arbitrary and capricious.