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Quote: "Shortly after the conclusion of events in Lithuania, Germany and Britain formalised their alliance – securing the Republic from any realistic threat from her continental enemies."
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Quote: "Shortly after the conclusion of events in Lithuania, Germany and Britain formalised their alliance – securing the Republic from any realistic threat from her continental enemies."
Oh I always do. I always so, hence the whole platform bit. I must say as a side note I quite enjoy that we have so many parties, record is 6 yes? Now not really advocating an addition party or 2 but wouldn't that be something? Especially if they are more or less spread out evenly give or take 2 or 3 votes. Wouldn't that be madness?
Ah, thanks Khalep. I must have skipped over that bit.
Isn't that what the fascists are supposed to achieve in the upcoming election?
Well, we do have fascists to look forward to.Oh I always do. I always so, hence the whole platform bit. I must say as a side note I quite enjoy that we have so many parties, record is 6 yes? Now not really advocating an addition party or 2 but wouldn't that be something? Especially if they are more or less spread out evenly give or take 2 or 3 votes. Wouldn't that be madness?
Although, this addition will probably not "spread the votes evenly".
EDIT: Ninja'd, of course.
Ah, thanks Khalep. I must have skipped over that bit.
Isn't that what the fascists are supposed to achieve in the upcoming election?
I guess I was subtlely hoping for 8. :ninja:
It'll be quite intriguing to see whether or not the old Centre will craft an election manifest able to attract more than the most catholic of citizens to it.
Anyhow, I am all in favour of more parties splitting apart and weakening the radicals, so long as the moderates stay strong.
Anyhow, I am all in favour of more parties splitting apart and weakening the radicals, so long as the moderates stay strong.
But, I believe we have every single option covered, here, don't we?
I mean, the liberal part of our political landscape seems to be even too overcrowded, although I do enjoy the constant bickering.
Yeah every single option is covered I believe, so it would be 7 at best. Unless a KP like party forms up strictly in the interests of Prussia since they were hammered economically with high unemployment and they may be yearning for days long gone. Though how they could conceivably achieve reliving those "golden" years is nothing short of whimsical.
You'd think that would be the fascists though, wouldn't you? I mean historically fascism was strong in that part of Germany.
Oh that's hardly sporting of you, Herr Khalep.
Sometimes God wishes us to encourage His good work. With the moderate, republican parties being splintered and divided against one another, and the right tearing itself apart, it would be quite sporting indeed for the far left to descend into chaos as well.
Indeed. Probably where the KP like elements reside or would reside in now. They will defect on over from the DNVP in all likelihood and the DNVP would turn into some fairly moderately conservative group sort of like the DRP prior to the merger with the KP.
A likely prediction of Germany's not-too-distant political future if I do say so myself.
I think Herr Khalep will disagree with you on the subject of whether economic intervention, as opposed to laiseez-faire, will lead to mass unemployment.
But I have proof for the contrary. For how do your economic policies differ from the Zentrum? (Yes they also had "free"-trade) Just look at what that have led to. Economic down turns, and you force on employment, we will just overheat the econony (especially with the wicked central bank) and lead to massive inflation plus lower wage rising than inflation.
Also you're subsidising industries, how is that free-trade? Isn't that tarrifs of their own? Plus it is 50% more expensive to invest in industry now, all while the capitalists and investors are taxed even more and with even greater "social" regulations. This will only lead to that the industries will fall under too great taxation and regulation pressure. Which in turn will lead to unemployment. Lastly the subsidies directly interfere with the market, and will in the long run destroy it. Just wait and see, soon we will have a crisis we have never seen before. Your economic policy have no responisvility, just spending and spending and spending. Where will our new industries get their workers from? No where since everyone is employed, it will be no mobility and no progress. It will be no real-production.
Oh I will. And in 10-20 years you'll see I was right. Then we can meet again.
Oh you will, when I challenge the statism, you will eliminate me. Just like in the other socialist states, or the other reactionaries like Russia. And please elaborate on the last part!
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Now I will let you see how the raping of our economy really work:
Minimum wage: "implementing the minimum wage can have devastating effects on industry" and we have the second highest! And it will make workers too expensive for hiring, which will make the infustries hire less workers, which will drastically lower their productivity and effiency as they produce less for more money. And many will be unemployed.
Max workhours: "The cost, however, is a 5% decrease in factory throughput per step. This can seriously affect industrial production, and thus profitability. " currently the throughput have been descreased by 5%!
Safety regulations: "The costs of this reform are a 25% increase in factory maintenance per step, for a whopping 100% total if the maximum reform level is achieved. As with the other reforms, this can seriously affect the profitability and viability of industry of a country" The maintsnence is 100% higher!
Intervensionism: 66% higher cost to invest/build new facotires and 5% less output.
Taxes: We're starving off the investment capital, which in turn will make less invest in new projects and factories.
Conclusion: Minimum wages will prevent many from being hired and they will stay unemployed, the the safety regulations make it 100% more expensive to maintain which will result in facotires closing down and unemployment, workhours decrease the throughput, and the intervenist policies themselves make it harder to create new ones plus that they will produce 5% less. Also the heavy taxing furhter decrease the investent capital drastically leading to less factories.
Keep in mind that we still rely on capitalists to create new industries. So now with much less investment capital abd 100% more expensive maintanence and 66% higher investment cost, this will only lead to less factories and less employed workers, which will make us rely on subsidues and an artifical market that will crack.
And the subsidues are actually directly harmong both the market and facotries. Soon we will go into an unrecoverabld cyclus. You will bring on mass employment, and then tax the capitalist and investors even more, which will then lead to less investments and more closed factories, i.e even greater unemployment. Then your crazy subsidising and taxations will no longer yield profit, and your too big welfare programs will have most of the population as costumers. You will only ruin the economy, and we will enter an unending spiral of deficits and higher tarrifs, taxes and more unemployed on welfare. This will ruin the economy.
Then we'll have to rely on foreign loans and cut down on our military. Which will make us rely on the foreign powers and we can't properly defend ourselves.
With a market without regulations -Laissez-Faire-, this will never happen!
TL;DR: We will enter a depression.
(I have actually based this on game mechanics)
Minimum wage: "implementing the minimum wage can have devastating effects on industry" and we have the second highest! And it will make workers too expensive for hiring, which will make the infustries hire less workers, which will drastically lower their productivity and effiency as they produce less for more money. And many will be unemployed.
Max workhours: "The cost, however, is a 5% decrease in factory throughput per step. This can seriously affect industrial production, and thus profitability. " currently the throughput have been descreased by 5%!
Safety regulations: "The costs of this reform are a 25% increase in factory maintenance per step, for a whopping 100% total if the maximum reform level is achieved. As with the other reforms, this can seriously affect the profitability and viability of industry of a country" The maintsnence is 100% higher!
Intervensionism: 66% higher cost to invest/build new facotires and 5% less output.
Taxes: We're starving off the investment capital, which in turn will make less invest in new projects and factories.
Conclusion: Minimum wages will prevent many from being hired and they will stay unemployed, the the safety regulations make it 100% more expensive to maintain which will result in facotires closing down and unemployment, workhours decrease the throughput, and the intervenist policies themselves make it harder to create new ones plus that they will produce 5% less. Also the heavy taxing furhter decrease the investent capital drastically leading to less factories.
Keep in mind that we still rely on capitalists to create new industries. So now with much less investment capital abd 100% more expensive maintanence and 66% higher investment cost, this will only lead to less factories and less employed workers, which will make us rely on subsidues and an artifical market that will crack.
And the subsidues are actually directly harmong both the market and facotries. Soon we will go into an unrecoverabld cyclus. You will bring on mass employment, and then tax the capitalist and investors even more, which will then lead to less investments and more closed factories, i.e even greater unemployment. Then your crazy subsidising and taxations will no longer yield profit, and your too big welfare programs will have most of the population as costumers. You will only ruin the economy, and we will enter an unending spiral of deficits and higher tarrifs, taxes and more unemployed on welfare. This will ruin the economy.
Then we'll have to rely on foreign loans and cut down on our military. Which will make us rely on the foreign powers and we can't properly defend ourselves.
With a market without regulations -Laissez-Faire-, this will never happen!
TL;DR: We will enter a depression.
(I have actually based this on game mechanics)
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Wow, the discussion within this AAR has got quite intensive.
At least, I personally didn’t expect to see close to 100 posts in a time span of about 4 hours.
At least, I personally didn’t expect to see close to 100 posts in a time span of about 4 hours.
Things have indeed heated up incredibly over the past few days.
Your logic is flawed, Herr Howard. Indeed, even the good Herr Tanzhang, though he is a stubborn gentleman, firm in his beliefs, has never managed to err as thoroughly and especially as consistently as you have. An impressive achievement.
The regulations you attack are what keeps this nation solvent and productive. The workers cannot work when factories fail. State subsidies help our industry through the inevitable rough spots and market inefficiencies that arise over time, allowing them to keep the workers employed and earning their wages until the market improves.
This in turn allows the workers to keep buying the products of our industry - raising demand and maintaining the ever so important welfare of our lower class citizens.
Again and again this method of benevolent intervention - remaining an essential step short of active state control - has kept our economy growing, and our finances healthy.
Whatever you may say, good sir, history has proven you wrong.
Your logic is flawed, Herr Howard. Indeed, even the good Herr Tanzhang, though he is a stubborn gentleman, firm in his beliefs, has never managed to err as thoroughly and especially as consistently as you have. An impressive achievement.
The regulations you attack are what keeps this nation solvent and productive. The workers cannot work when factories fail. State subsidies help our industry through the inevitable rough spots and market inefficiencies that arise over time, allowing them to keep the workers employed and earning their wages until the market improves.
This in turn allows the workers to keep buying the products of our industry - raising demand and maintaining the ever so important welfare of our lower class citizens.
Again and again this method of benevolent intervention - remaining an essential step short of active state control - has kept our economy growing, and our finances healthy.
Whatever you may say, good sir, history has proven you wrong.
Point out exactly what is wrong. I have showed you have the regulations [social reforms and interventionism] harm the economy. It is the regulations that make the factories fall! And with the new taxation system, it will just take away investment capital. And the subsidues do send the economy in a downwards spiral.
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