Blood and Iron - An Interactive Prussian AAR

[ThaHoward]

That may be. But what is free trade worth without a free-market? Nothing, you can't expect a chariot to roll without a horse. And your religious policies are medieval! You still live in the age of feudalism and cling to religion, but the state have nothing to do with this and everyone should be able to worship whoever they want to. This is especially true for Germany with all her religions. We need to coexist and respect eachother, not excluse and polarize.

 

[Enewald]

No, not you or Enewald. Richter.

Germany does not need a new radical liberal party at this time, for it already has one in the FVP.

FVP radically liberal?

Radically socialist I would argue. Check their policies. They are quite far away from any notion of liberalism.
FVP is pushing for a stronger state and towards socialism; both which are opposed by true liberalism.

 

[LordTempest]

Radically socialist I would argue. Check their policies. They are quite far away from any notion of liberalism.

Except of course social liberalism, of which they are an almost perfect representation of.

 

[ThaHoward]

FVP radically liberal?

Radically socialist I would argue. Check their policies. They are quite far away from any notion of liberalism.
FVP is pushing for a stronger state and towards socialism; both which are opposed by true liberalism.

I agree. FVP is statism, centralism and oppression. Liberals are for decentralization, individualism and liberty.

 

[LordTempest]

Liberals are for decentralization, individualism and liberty.

You see, that's the old or Classical definition of Liberalism, the FVP have very much caught the mood of the times with their radical new social definition of the term.

 

[ThaHoward]

You see, that's the old or Classical definition of Liberalism, the FVP have very much caught the mood of the times with their radical new social definition of the term.

Doesn't make it any better! They might coin themselves as liberals, but they oppose everything liberalism stand for! Communism and socialism are new forces, but look at what they do! Tyranny and enslavement and statism. This is horrid, this is oppressive this is unacceptable! Liberalism is the only thing that stand for freedom and the only light beams against tyranny. We need to unite under the banner of freedom, under the banner of liberalism!

 

[DensleyBlair]

Doesn't make it any better! They might coin themselves as liberals, but they oppose everything liberalism stand for! Communism and socialism are new forces, but look at what they do! Tyranny and enslavement and statism. This is horrid, this is oppressive this is unacceptable! Liberalism is the only thing that stand for freedom and the only light beams against tyranny. We need to unite under the banner of freedom, under the banner of liberalism!

Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but this is all – as Tanzhang rightly points out – taking into account a very specific idea of liberalism. It means different things to different people, and one person isn't necessarily "not liberal" just because he isn't the same as someone who supposedly is, or is perhaps a Classical Liberal.

That said, I wouldn't call the FVP tyrants.

 

[ThaHoward]

See what statism do? It indoctrinated the people. Instead of the law serving the people, the people are serving the law! Down with the statism.

And the FVP may not be tyrants now, but wait and see. Soon they'll strangle indivdualism in the name of "equality", but then it is too late. Because then we will no longer be allowed to voice our opinions.

((And yes I am roleplaying))

 

[LordTempest]

That said, I wouldn't call the FVP tyrants.

If they were, then I doubt you would have voted for them.

 

[LordTempest]

See what statism do? It indoctrinated the people. Instead of the law serving the people, the people are serving the law! Down with the statism.

And the FVP may not be tyrants now, but wait and see. Soon they'll strangle indivdualism in the name of "equality", but then it is too late. Because then we will no longer be allowed to voice our opinions.

I see Enewald has found another recruit for his Nordic Anarcho-Cannibalist Party.

 

[Enewald]

Except of course social liberalism, of which they are an almost perfect representation of.

Ah, the cancer known as socialism once again has managed to contaminate the ideal of liberty and out of this a new horrendous mutant is born; social liberalism... :wacko:

Let's twist some other words so they get new meanings, shall we?

 

[LordTempest]

Ah, the cancer known as socialism once again has managed to contaminate the ideal of liberty and out of this a new horrendous mutant is born; social liberalism...

Yes, a "horrendous" mutant possessing the strengths of both and the weaknesses of neither. You're too funny, Herr Enewald.

 

[DensleyBlair]

Let's twist some other words so they get new meanings, shall we?

Here's a thought: how about if we mandate that "Christian Democracy" now means "Zealous Demagogic Histrionic Almost-Certainly-Not Democracy"?

 

[LordTempest]

Here's a thought: how about if we mandate that "Christian Democracy" now means "Zealous Demagogic Histrionic Almost-Certainly-Not Democracy"?

Oh come on, we both know that Herr Khalep is far from histrionic.

 

[DensleyBlair]

Oh come on, we both know that Herr Khalep is far from histrionic.

The Honourable Gentleman was not the subject of my comment.

 

[ThaHoward]

Yes, a "horrendous" mutant possessing the strengths of both and the weaknesses of neither. You're too funny, Herr Enewald.

The strenghts of neither and the weaknesses of both socialism and conservatism. They are only liberal in name, but they are power hungry elitist-statists. You need to see the truth before it is too late!

 

[LordTempest]

The Honourable Gentleman was not the subject of my comment.

Oh you! :rofl:

The strenghts of neither and the weaknesses of both socialism and conservatism. They are only liberal in name, but they are power hungry elitist-statists. You need to see the truth before it is too late!

Who entered into a coalition with the right-wing DNVP in order to retain the Chancellorship again?

 

[Contravarius]

Oh, all those silly little liberals fighting over their silly little differences.
I'm already waiting for the Great Fascist Wave to ruin all their fun.

 

[LordTempest]

Oh, all those silly little liberals fighting over their silly little differences.
I'm already waiting for the Great Fascist Wave to ruin all their fun.

Hypothetically, the fascists and the DNVP would wind up splitting the right-wing vote, yes? This could lead to the DNVP ending up as patsies in a purely hypothetical future National Socialist coalition government, not unlike that which brought a certain Austrian fingerpainter into power in our timeline.

 

[ThaHoward]

I see Enewald has found another recruit for his Nordic Anarcho-Cannibalist Party.

Are you reffering to freedom fighters in Scandinavia? They are bloody heroes! That they are cannibals are just socialist propaganda. See, if someone want more freedom they are forced to hide in the mountains and be labeled as cannibals. Is that what we want?

Oh you! :rofl:



Who entered into a coalition with the right-wing DNVP in order to retain the Chancellorship again?

We were strictly trying to contain them. And you entered a coalition with DDP and SPD. You are no better yourselves.