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Unless I am very much mistaken - and the world has changed beyond recognition -, Lobenswert is your average Junker, rather than a socialist.
Yes, but he took offense of the truth. And the Junkers are no better themselves. Or atleast they are honest about wanting to oppress the people and have a small elite. When the people vote for them, they at least know what they walk to. The socialists are tempting the common man with benefits with one hand, but at the same time stealing away all they have!

DDP posters:



Bolschevism brings war,
unemployment
and starvation.
Unite to
fight the
bloschevism


For honest work in city and country.

Against dictatorship from both left [socialists/communists] and right [junkers].
 
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Final Polls:

Total Vote: 49 (+2) - very impressed that we got one of our highest turnouts yet, despite the month long hiatus!

DNVP: 14
FVP: 12
DDP: 8
SPD: 6
KPD: 5
DZP: 4

Minority Seats:

FVP: 9
KPD: 7
SPD: 6
DZP: 4
DDP: 4
DNVP: 1
 

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33 votes for both FVP-DDP and FVP-SDP? :unsure: And 35 for DNVP-DZP-DDP. Damnit, this is why you need to vote for DDP and not FVP :( Because now the socialists and reactionaries get too much power indirectly.

I hope that people like Herr Tanzhang will influence the party, and not these closeted socialists. Same with DDP, I would rather want an anarcho-liberal to influence the government, than one of the former national-liberals or junker sympathisers.
 
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33 votes for both FVP-DDP and FVP-SDP? :unsure: And 35 for DNVP-DZP-DDP. Damnit, this is why you need to vote for DDP and not FVP :( Because now the socialists and reactionaries get too much power indirectly.

I hope that people like Herr Tanzhang will influence the party, and not these closeted socialists. Same with DDP, I would rather want an anarcho-liberal to influence the government, than one of the former national-liberals or junker sympathisers.
You mistake the minority seats for votes, Herr Howard. They are not votes, they are but actual seats within the Reichstag, which contains somewhere along the lines of 500 members.

Quite an interesting result. As expected, we shall either see a coalition of the republican centre (FVP, DDP, SPD), or a coalition that would see us return to a monarchy of as yet undetermined form (DNVP, DDP, DZP).
 

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You mistake the minority seats for votes, Herr Howard. They are not votes, they are but actual seats within the Reichstag, which contains somewhere along the lines of 500 members.
Ah sorry I meant seats. But each seat is virtually votes, so abstractly they are votes :unsure: Anyway, it is a problem that the red hydra get so many seats, same with the reactionaries and Centre.

(Something I have wondered for the entire AAR (I read the whole thing :p) is each of our votes like from someone in the nobility/upper house, or are we abstractly a representation of the people?)
 

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(Something I have wondered for the entire AAR (I read the whole thing :p) is each of our votes like from someone in the nobility/upper house, or are we abstractly a representation of the people?)
We abstractly respresent the people. Each of our votes counts as quite a stupendous amount of seats in the Reichstag.
There is actually neither a nobility nor an upper house in Germany at present, that is to say since the revolution.
 

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Also, sometimes poor farmers vote for said leftist parties. Because they want high tariffs that result in higher prices for grain, resulting in higher profits for those farmers. Why won't anyone think of the poor farmers?
Because they're outnumbered by the rich landowners, and besides, all farmers are petit-bourgeoise anyway. :p

Soviet Scandinavia
What's a soviet? :p

Unless I am very much mistaken - and the world has changed beyond recognition -, Lobenswert is your average Junker, rather than a socialist.
He's voted Zentrum a few times in the past too, hasn't he? :)
 

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Ah sorry I meant seats. But each seat is virtually votes, so abstractly they are votes :unsure: Anyway, it is a problem that the red hydra get so many seats, same with the reactionaries and Centre.
They only got like forty.
 

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They only got like forty.
I mean indirectly. Since the DDP might choose to ally themselves with DVNP or Zentrum, and the FVP might ally themselves with SPD over DDP. This is what I think is troubling. I would rather have a two party system with DDP and FVP :D

And if you think of that they are miniority, maybe, but even if it is a miniority government all of the opposition have to block out the miniority. This will mean that the parties who are not in power can get a lot of power, by promising to support the government in some cases, if the government do so and so.

I demand a percentage barrier!
 

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I mean indirectly. Since the DDP might choose to ally themselves with DVNP or Zentrum, and the FVP might ally themselves with SPD over DDP. This is what I think is troubling. I would rather have a two party system with DDP and FVP :D

And if you think of that they are miniority, maybe, but even if it is a miniority government all of the opposition have to block out the miniority. This will mean that the parties who are not in power can get a lot of power, by promising to support the government in some cases, if the government do so and so.

I demand a percentage barrier!
The last time one party managed to gain an absolute majority (glorious that day! blessed be the memory!), Germany was destroyed in the Great War, wrecked through revolutionary strife and turned into a republic.
It does not appear to quite guarantee stability per se.

EDIT: Actually, it appears my memory is mistaken. The absolute majority days resulted in the union with Austria. Glorious day.
 
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I mean indirectly. Since the DDP might choose to ally themselves with DVNP or Zentrum, and the FVP might ally themselves with SPD over DDP. This is what I think is troubling. I would rather have a two party system with DDP and FVP :D
From an AAR point of view that would be incredibly boring, especially for Tommy because there wouldn't be any communists.

I demand a percentage barrier!
We could do with one at 5%, actually - but its not going to happen.
 

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The last time one party managed to gain an absolute majority (glorious that day! blessed be the memory!), Germany was destroyed in the Great War, wrecked through revolutionary strife and turned into a republic.
It does not appear to quite guarantee stability per se.
That was because of the terribly unfit rulers of the Zentrum. They do not care about what is best for the people, they only care about statism and parenting the people

From an AAR point of view that would be incredibly boring, especially for Tommy because there wouldn't be any communists.



We could do with one at 5%, actually - but its not going to happen.
Note: I am writing all this as a fanatical liberal. This is purely Role-playing :D

Mote serious: The two governments proposed (republican and monarchist) can be interesting. As with the republican we will have two opposing forces - liberalism and socialism. But the FVP will be in the middle, with elements from both liveralism and socialism. So they might compromise between these two ideologies and party programs. Same wkth the monarchists, we will have bith liberalism and reactionaries. And Zentrum is inbetween, but far more DVNP sympathizing. But bith will be interesting as conflicting ideologies will have to work together and unify over something in common.

Back to rp :p : I think it would be good with DDP in both a republican or monarchist coalition. As much as it hurts me to work with these statists, junkers and anti-socials, we will be meditators. As said in our poster we are against dictatorship and tyranny from both the left and the right. And if we get in either of these coalitions, we may reduce the damages, steer them into the right path and meditate for pace. We will fight against tyranny and for liberty!
 

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That was because of the terribly unfit rulers of the Zentrum. They do not care about what is best for the people, they only care about statism and parenting the people
I shall not tolerate such words to be spoken of the party that used to stand at the moral heart of the nation, ending repression and unifying the country unopposed.
Your aggressive taunts shall not do you any good, sir.
 

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Hold on, DDP will only support monarchist policies over my dead body!!! :mad:
 

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I shall not tolerate such words to be spoken of the party that used to stand at the moral heart of the nation, ending repression and unifying the country unopposed.
Your aggressive taunts shall not do you any good, sir.
Mein Herr, this is what I mean. You think you are morally superior and thus you are assuming the role of a parent. But the German people deserve to be free. You are no better than the absolute monarchies to the Hohenzollerns and Habsburgs. Us liberals on the other hand think that everyone is entitled to freedom, liberty and absent of oppression.

And you mix religion and economics with governmental affairs. These are not only extreme violations of human rights, but it have been proven over and over again that the government will fail! Let the people decide over themselves, the state have nothing to do with other people's personal affairs!

Hold on, DDP will only support monarchist policies over my dead body!!! :mad:
Easy now Bruder Enewald. We will be no better than the vile anti-socials (socialists) and Junkers if we sink down to their levels and become oppressors and a violent bunch. We are opposed to violence and believe in individual freedom. (Seem like morre radical variations of liberalism are brewing; libertarianism and anarchism :D )
 

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The Election of 1903

With monarchism growing in strength and confidence once more and the newly formed Communist Party appearing confident and dynamic, many feared that the twin threats from the left and right might threaten the very existence of the German Republic itself – 1903 was regarded as an invaluable occasion to rally to the Republic’s defense, and indeed a crucial moment in the struggle against it.


The election failed to produce a catastrophic shift in German politics, but did witness some very notable changes. Both the SPD and DZP experienced major losses in the Reichstag. For the Social Democrats, this was not to be unexpected – their electoral pact with the Populists in 1898 was believed to have enhanced their share of the vote then whilst the defection of the larger part of the old USPD’s Reichstag representation (as well as a minority of the membership) in the year before the election meant the party was briefly the largest in the chamber. This result could never last, nonetheless the scale of the SPD’s losses were painful with Communists and to a lesser extend Populists making major gains. For the Centre Party, on the other hand, the result was an utter disaster. The party that had dominated the latter years of the Kaiserreich and achieved the largest share of the vote in 1898 was reduced to the status as the smallest party in the assembly – losing a full two thirds of its vote and falling behind even the Communists. Increasingly, the FVP was being viewed as the true inheritor of progressive Christian Democracy, rather than the original party itself.

Amongst the election’s greatest triumphs was the success of the newly formed KPD which secured more than 10% of the Reichstag and narrowly missed out on overtaking the SPD to become the largest Socialist political party in the country. Elsewhere the DDP made impressive gains, almost doubling its vote and becoming the third largest party in the Reichstag – even so German Liberals remained critically weakened from the era of the Kaiserreich when Liberal parties never failed to secure less than ¼ of the vote and frequently scored far higher. The FVP also made not insignificant gains at the expense of the Social Democrats and Centrists alike as it finished narrowly behind the DNVP, whose own gains allowed it to further assert the popular appeal of monarchical restoration.


The election left the DDP overwhelmingly powerful. Both the DNVP and FVP had asserted their claims to leadership of opposing visions of Germany’s future. Yet neither could secure a governing majority without the Liberals. A continuation of the alliance between Liberals, Centrists and Monarchists which had governed since 1901 could achieve only the narrowest of majorities (just 7 deputies strong), whilst a restoration of the old Weimar coalition could muster a far more impressive and stable majority with or without the critically weakened Centre Party.


What followed was an around two weeks of frantic negotiating. The DDP, fearful on the onward march of the DNVP and its reactionary monarchist ideology, were eager to secure an alliance with the FVP and SPD but only on their own terms. Liberal leader Eugen Richter wished to ensure that he retain the Chancellorship, foreign policy be left out of the hands of the more left wing parties whose opposition to Communism was not nearly as strident as his own and most importantly of all any programmes of widespread social reform be either abandoned or drastically reduced. Believing the DDP’s bargaining position to be far weaker than Richter seemed to supposed the left wing parties held firmly against negotiating away their respective programmes. Seeing the DDP’s talks with the left faltering Bülow openly offer very tempting terms for the continuation of the pre-election government.

Despite everything that had changed, the German government remained the same. Richter retained the position of Chancellor; Fehrenbach was still the President (and not up for re-election for another two years) and a coalition of the DDP, DZP and DNVP remained in power. Yet the ruling coalition appeared much less stable than it had before the election of 1903.
 

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Germany is entering a period of reaction and radicalism. To some this republic is too far from the old. To others we have yet to open up enough. While you all know which party I voted for, I hope this cannot stop us from rebuilding Germany, both internally and externally (although I would prefer peaceful methods first). Should this reaction movement fail, I will vote more moderate, but I shall never vote communist, for communism is the most despicable evil. I hope that Germany will sometime return to what the nation as a whole returns to what it considers as its moderation, whatever that means.

EDIT: Election post appeared as I was typing the above. Some stability (relatively speaking) is much welcomed right now.