Well, with a high-trust, low-development protectorate, according to his suggestion, it would then allow you to get him as a vassal you can feed and annex.
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Blocking Asian westernization?
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Is that hard-coded in or something? Is there no way to switch between them upon westernization? I was suggesting that upon Westernization, you can shift from one to the other instead of completely losing it.
I've always hated protectorates. The AI loves to go around and just create protectorates rather than just conquering their land. It creates weird things like the spice islands without any europeans in sumatra, java, or borneo; just countries that are protectorates of europeans. Also random native countries in the americas just sitting there in the middle of colonial nations never doing anything for the rest of the game. As it stands protectorates are pretty much pointless.
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Thanks Wiz for derailing my thread 
I don't really get that part. Making nations protectorates doesn't really slow down possible westernization, does it? And for trade companies, my issue is that while that stops westernization-by-contact it doesn't stop westernization-by-commingling-cores, right? So for example if I grab some coastal provinces off Vijayanagar, they'll be able to westernize even if all those provinces belong to my trade company right?
I don't really get that part. Making nations protectorates doesn't really slow down possible westernization, does it? And for trade companies, my issue is that while that stops westernization-by-contact it doesn't stop westernization-by-commingling-cores, right? So for example if I grab some coastal provinces off Vijayanagar, they'll be able to westernize even if all those provinces belong to my trade company right?
Just making a country to protectorate can't block westernization now.Thanks Wiz for derailing my thread
I don't really get that part. Making nations protectorates doesn't really slow down possible westernization, does it? And for trade companies, my issue is that while that stops westernization-by-contact it doesn't stop westernization-by-commingling-cores, right? So for example if I grab some coastal provinces off Vijayanagar, they'll be able to westernize even if all those provinces belong to my trade company right?
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As far as natives go, that's somewhat historical - quite a few tribes became "protectorates" and eventually westernized.
A good potential way to remove cores of large indians is to make them release non-primary-culture tags and conquer those - they will lose their cores on them during release, so no westernization by c0-cores.
@happymix91 They can, as long as the guy who wants to westernize has a core on the TC province.
A good potential way to remove cores of large indians is to make them release non-primary-culture tags and conquer those - they will lose their cores on them during release, so no westernization by c0-cores.
@happymix91 They can, as long as the guy who wants to westernize has a core on the TC province.
It creates an absolute block that no nation will declare on the protectorate for territory on your watch.
If all possible attackers are gone already, it doesn't matter...except that you need to do SOMETHING with this land for WC of course.
Correct, but colonized provinces next to Brunei that are turned trade companies won't allow it for example. Also, if you full annex a nation then turn all provinces into trade companies, there's no chance for westernization to spread.
This westernization by core, it's well enough when you can remove core in a later war, but does that halt an already begun westernization? Strikes me that I've never noticed :s
Also, I so wish I could demand a province AND its core revocation in the same war :\
Also, I so wish I could demand a province AND its core revocation in the same war :\
Can't halt.
You can't revoke a core at the nation's primary culture privince, even you become to be able to get province&revoke core at once.
Ah, yes of course. So if they start to westernize in the truce period the only option becomes total conquest.
That isn't the "only" option. It shouldn't be rocket science to let them DIAF to reactionaries, especially if you're adding a little WE to their westernization unrest.
Or wait until being able to make client state.. Though you should wait some more and provinces should have a land connection or be rocated at same continent.
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Yep, which will probably lead to other states being able to westernize.
I'm somewhat concerned at this change to make AI protectorates not westernize at all. When I created British India, I typically leave in some states like Mysore. Most often, they started out as my protectorates and then when they westernized, I usually declared war upon them almost immediately and then force them to become my vassal, whom I then make my marches as to increase their force limit. Basically, I used vassals to supplement my military forces stationed in India for expansionist wars.
Now I'm concerned that this change might make this approach almost impossible. This might just make me want to vassalize the states in the first place rather than protectorate-ing them.
Now I'm concerned that this change might make this approach almost impossible. This might just make me want to vassalize the states in the first place rather than protectorate-ing them.
Remember that with 1.14 we will be able to call protectorates into wars too, so with sending officers, we will have a better force than if they were vassals.
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This.
Even when I played Ming, I almost got wrecked by reactionaries when I was fighting 3 wars which normally wouldn't have troubled me. Portugal Spain in Americas, France in Africa, and Russia in the Urals.
All 3 wars dragged on for nearly 20 years, I was at 0 mp for over a decade, and at one point lost nearly 1/3 of my provinces to reactionaries.
And did that break the westernization process? If not, I'd still have to conquer the place to prevent it happening at some point.
I meant 0 Man Power, I still had mercs.
Even 0 mana it doesn't break it, just stalls.
But each province taken was -10, so I lost like 400-500 progress.
Even 0 mana it doesn't break it, just stalls.
But each province taken was -10, so I lost like 400-500 progress.