Blocked from firing council member - but why?
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Are you sure he doesn't have a hook on you?
Also if he has a vassal contract, check to see if he has the council right on it.
Also if he has a vassal contract, check to see if he has the council right on it.
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- Definitely no hooks - i do have secrets but there are zero hooks on me.
- He's mayor of Wels, so no contract
Seems to be some kind of event, I've just had the same happen with a count for the marshal position. They simply displaced the current one and block the office for years now... weird.
They can use a hook they had on you to demand a council position & install themselves where they want, & then cant be fired. The only way to get rid of them (unless you wanna wait like 25 yrs I think it is) is to murder them, imprison/execute (& take a huge tyranny hit), or get claims on their lands & revoke all their titles.
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Ah so that's why there isn't a hook.. anymore. Would be nice if that was explained better. Thx!
Yeah, once used, the hook is gone (for a weak hook). Unfortunately, the event where they force you to give them a council seat doesn't say the reason why they got the council seat. Just know that if you see that event, the reason is always because of a hook that was used on you. Maybe they'll fix the event text to clarify that for people.
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A weak hook should really only be 10 years with a strong hook being 25 IMHO. But yes he used a hook and we need shadow hooks to show a hook was used probably as well.
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Took me a sec to figure it out cause when my heir took over he was pretty weak & I had absolute crown authority, so a Liberty faction DoWed me pretty quickly with like 10 members. They ALL got weak hooks on me & like half of them used theirs to install themselves on my council. I had a shitty council FOREVER. Sucked lol
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Let me introduce you to another function called schemes... You can remove that problem with a kill option.
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Takes forever to murder through that many people tho. Also if you have crappy intrigue like I did, sometimes its literally not a possibility. A 15% chance of success with a 80% chance of discovery? Ya no thx
I found it easier to fabricate claims on their land & then revoke if they were just counts.- 1
Why can't we use a strong hook to unseat a crappy councillor who previously used a weak hook to get there?
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I found this happened with my bishops in my own faith, too, despite being the temporal head and having Lay Clergy. As soon as my 75-year old 50-learning bishop dies, suddenly a 16-year old Unlanded person with like 8 Learning takes the seat and can't be fired.
Assassinating the crap bishop replaces them with another unfireable bishop. They tend to be unlanded lowborn randoms without any family or relationships, so I don't think them having hooks on me is very likely.
Assassinating the crap bishop replaces them with another unfireable bishop. They tend to be unlanded lowborn randoms without any family or relationships, so I don't think them having hooks on me is very likely.
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This is a separate issue - the position of bishop can't be vacant (makes sense for spiritual clergy, not for lay clergy as your income and levies aren't affected by the opinion of your bishop), and for some reason, newly appointed bishops can't be fired for 10 years - so, if the current bishop dies, another one is appointed automatically, and the 10-year period kicks in.
What happened with OP is, as discussed in the thread, most likely a case of the mayor having a weak hook that was spent to demand council position (which the game communicates only partially).
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Kind of problematic to do if you don't have good intrigue and your spymaster suck. =p
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The game currently doesn't have notifications (or if it does, its done very poorly) when a vassal used a hook to demand council positions. Its pretty frustrating. Also, when I give a vassal a hook i don't mind if they become counselor, but can i please goddamit let me choose which role they take and whom they fire?
On another note, as the temporal head of faith with lay clergy I have never been able to replace a court chaplain who was replaced due to death of his/her predecessor until i wait 20 years. I don't think that's normal.
On another note, as the temporal head of faith with lay clergy I have never been able to replace a court chaplain who was replaced due to death of his/her predecessor until i wait 20 years. I don't think that's normal.
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I've used the hook to force a council member on my liege before, it gives you a list of positions so you can shove yourself into whatever one you please. You can easily rehire the guy that gets fired by moving the forced councilor to a different spot
THat multi-step process usually leads to firing a second powerful vassal.
This is one feature where there SHOULD be AI-Player disparity and just let the player liege choose. A player vassal can keep their choice priority because they generally would pick their best trait.
AI? they just pick by a roll of a die sometimes even their weakest stat.
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