Blockade of straight not working

[Jarren]

So here i am as Byzantium, i just launched the first war with Hungary as my ally, defeated the Ottoman navy as they were split by the mamaluks, and the watch a 30 stack of Ottomans walk right over the straight of Eridne! 20 galleys in the sea zone and they just waltz on by, with their stupid 2 star general wrecking the Hungarians. Is this a known bug, something to do with the fort in Erdine or Constatinople, am i blind and the straight is in another sea zone? basically, WTF

 

[Jarren]

They didnt walk from Crimea, i watched them cross the straight, TWICE

 

[Xara]

You must control at least one side in order for a blockade to prevent movement. You would have to capture Edirne or Biga in order to lock them out. Since they would immediately capture Biga again, effectively you need to capture Edirne while their army is occupied somewhere else.

 

[Jarren]

Wow, that's kind of dumb. 1.14 i see the notes now. 100% control of the sea should at least put some attrition on them, or slow them down.

 

[AP85]

Wow, that's kind of dumb. 1.14 i see the notes now. 100% control of the sea should at least put some attrition on them, or slow them down.

This change was pretty much designed specifically to make Byzantium untenable.

 

[telge2]

This change was pretty much designed specifically to make Byzantium untenable.

As somebody already said related to this subject: But how else should the idly-widly Ottoderp defeat the Big Bad Byzantyblob?

 

[Tom D.]

This change was pretty much designed specifically to make Byzantium untenable.

I wouldn't say that. The Bosporus is really narrow at some points which prevents navies of blocking it because of defensive fortifications on both sides in reality.

Now for ingame, a bigger army than the Ottomans is more important than blocking that strait. If you can secure your first war, you should definitely ask Edirne and than you should block the strait with your fleet. The Balkans are then there to grab them.

 

[Songe]

This change was pretty much designed specifically to make Byzantium untenable.

Untenable ?

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/byzantine-start-guide-1-14-cossacks-ironman.897712

 

[AP85]

As somebody already said related to this subject: But how else should the idly-widly Ottoderp defeat the Big Bad Byzantyblob?

I think it's hilarious how stacked the odds are against Byz in this patch. I had Hungary and P&L on my side and the Turks thrashed us all like it was nothing. If you win the first war, you've got it made in the shade, but I can't be bothered with restarting 50 times to get favourable conditions.

 

[AP85]

Untenable ?

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/byzantine-start-guide-1-14-cossacks-ironman.897712

Untenable in the sense that there is no effective strategy that doesn't rely heavily on luck. Of course it is possible, but you need a lot of luck and it mostly just depends on when the Ottos decide to DOW you.

 

[alertiu5]

how stacked the odds are against Byz in this patch

Man, you're playing a doomed nation historically, of course odds are against you

 

[AP85]

Man, you're playing a doomed nation historically, of course odds are against you

I don't care, personally, I'm not Byzantophile. I just think it's funny how the devs go out of their way to make Byz more difficult with every patch.

 

[alertiu5]

devs go out of their way to make Byz more difficult with every patch.

Especially when they made a whole DLC to help byzantines (Purple Phoenix). Strait blocking change also made Sweden start more difficult, by the way, and you just cannot say that Paradox is a swedephobic company

 

[DDRJake]

I just think it's funny how the devs go out of their way to make Byz more difficult with every patch.

This is a common misconception. We simply want to give the Ottomans their deserved buffs.

 

[brobman22]

Guys seriously one day they are going to move the start date to 1453 then we will see how untenable the Byzantines are

 

[AP85]

Especially when they made a whole DLC to help byzantines (Purple Phoenix). Strait blocking change also made Sweden start more difficult, by the way, and you just cannot say that Paradox is a swedephobic company

Perhaps you're being sarcastic? Swedish independence is a foregone conclusion in EU4.

 

[AP85]

This is a common misconception. We simply want to give the Ottomans their deserved buffs.

You didn't seem as preoccupied with historical accuracy when you were scheming your way to Ryukyu WCs. Now that those sweet, sweet krona are filling your pocket the story changes!

 

[Zander]

I don't care, personally, I'm not Byzantophile. I just think it's funny how the devs go out of their way to make Byz more difficult with every patch.

Will be interesting to see whether that trend stops now that Wiz has moved on...

 

[Jarren]

This is a common misconception. We simply want to give the Ottomans their deserved buffs.

Oh wow, DDRJake is here. Teach me you secrets master !

 

[Gunburned]

I prety shure this was done to make it harder to trick the AI into being trapped on an island