Blitzkrieg : the best tactic ?

[hkrommel]

Spain in 1898 would disagree.

Spain was a neighbor? Last time I checked we didn't have a contiguous land connection.

Relevant

 

[D Inqu]

Most of the country was occupied by the Western Allies.

This lagerly applied to Germany too.

Yugoslavia is a rather special case in that regard. Established partisans and distance from the USSR itself were a large part of that decision.

And in the hypothetical case the established Polish army would be an even bigger factor. Also, distance was not a factor. Yougoslavia bordered soviet puppet Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria so it could have made sense to have them too, to not have to worry about the long border.

Given Soviet *ahem* support of Polish partisans, I would think they would let the Poles take the brunt of the fighting, while ensuring that Soviet-friendly individuals reach positions of power, etc. I highly doubt Poland retains its independence without some significant threats from the Western Allies.

The Soviets heavily supported polish fighters. Their polish fighters. While obviously neglecting the GiE fighter.
The hypothetical scenario is different. Poland has their 60 or so divisions, they have their functioning goverment to which the troops are loyal. There is no way for the soviets to discreetly topple that. They will obviously support pro-soviet individuals, but unlike IRL they will not appoint them.

 

[hkrommel]

it could have made sense to have them too, to not have to worry about the long border.

Not really with NATO naval superiority in the Mediterranean.

discreetly topple that.

Who said anything about them being discreet? It's not hard to backstab a government when they invite your soldiers in. One second the Germans are shooting at the Poles, the next both the Germans and the Soviets (who are in the Polish trenches, so to speak) are shooting at the Poles.

 

[D Inqu]

Not really with NATO naval superiority in the Mediterranean.

True, but Yugoslavia had over 1 million men in uniform and and a significant military industry. Certainly a good value.

Who said anything about them being discreet? It's not hard to backstab a government when they invite your soldiers in. One second the Germans are shooting at the Poles, the next both the Germans and the Soviets (who are in the Polish trenches, so to speak) are shooting at the Poles.

This is insane. First, because Soviets gain nothing from a 3-way war, and potentially a lot to lose. Second, soldiers re not clone troopers and it takes time to indoctrinate them into a new war. They will simply not double cross brothers-in-arms overnight. It took 3 years of intense propaganda for the allied troops and soviets to start seeing each other as enemies. Which is why the 1945 offensive plans were shelved.

 

[Opanashc]

Spain was a neighbor? Last time I checked we didn't have a contiguous land connection.

Dude, you really need to study. By your reckoning, UK and France are not neighbors.
Russia did X, because everybody did X.

 

[hkrommel]

Russia did X, because everybody did X.

And that makes it OK? lol I guess what's right and wrong is determined by majority rule

Dude, you really need to study. By your reckoning, UK and France are not neighbors.

I didn't know they were separated by the entire Atlantic ocean? The US invaded Spanish colonial possessions, sure, but not Spain.

 

[Opanashc]

I didn't know they were separated by the entire Atlantic ocean? The US invaded Spanish colonial possessions, sure, but not Spain.

And Japan invaded UK colonial possessions - yet UK, for some reason, got mad. As it did in 1982, when Argentina invaded its colonial possession.

And that makes it OK? lol I guess what's right and wrong is determined by majority rule.

300-400 years ago, it was accepted practice in Europe to not bathe, and catching fleas in another's hair was part of flirting. Now, in international relations, its ok to fund a revolt, instigate a civil war, forbid the local government from using airpower, while bombing the government yourself, then kill the leader in the street. Now, the country is in shambles, infighting is widespread, and more people die every day then from the actions of the government prior to the event, quality of life dropped...

 

[hkrommel]

And Japan invaded UK colonial possessions - yet UK, for some reason, got mad. As it did in 1982, when Argentina invaded its colonial possession.

That's relevant to the original point how? The US hasn't invaded the home soil of one of its neighbors since the 1840's.

300-400 years ago, it was accepted practice in Europe to not bathe, and catching fleas in another's hair was part of flirting. Now, in international relations, its ok to fund a revolt, instigate a civil war, forbid the local government from using airpower, while bombing the government yourself, then kill the leader in the street. Now, the country is in shambles, infighting is widespread, and more people die every day then from the actions of the government prior to the event, quality of life dropped...

Again, this is relevant how? I simply was pointing out the absurdity of determining right and wrong simply based on what "everyone" is doing.

 

[Opanashc]

That's relevant to the original point how? The US hasn't invaded the home soil of one of its neighbors since the 1840's.

Changing your words? You said:

Probably laugh, and send a couple carrier groups to dispel any delusions of grandeur. Then again since we haven't invaded our neighbors since the 1840s (and even then that was totally different than the Winter War) I doubt this situation would arise.

I see nothing about the "home soil". Cuba belonged to Spain long before US even existed, even as a colony of England. Just admit you were wrong, and that your precious USA did some bad things, and is little better any other powerful country in history of mankind.

 

[Opanashc]

Again, this is relevant how? I simply was pointing out the absurdity of determining right and wrong simply based on what "everyone" is doing.

Its relevant, because you condemn SU for the Winter War, and not everybody else, when they did very much the same thing.

 

[Secret Master]

Look, the greater geo-politics surrounding Soviet foreign policy, US foreign policy, Tsarist Russia policy, Spanish policy, French policy, British policy, Polish policy, and Chinese policy since the 1750s is beyond the scope of this discussion.

Let's take it down a notch and focus on the topic. You can go discuss foreign policy in another thread or forum.

 

[MGL 86]

Native Americans. I mean the real ones

 

[Jongmaster]

Native Americans. I mean the real ones

Real ones? What the hell are real "Native Americans"? Last time I checked if you where born on American soil, it made you a real Native American. And more importantly what does it have to do with the tactics of WW2?

 

[Opanashc]

Real ones? What the hell are real "Native Americans"? Last time I checked if you where born on American soil, it made you a real Native American. And more importantly what does it have to do with the tactics of WW2?

Amerindians. The ones who lived in America before Columbus.

 

[Jongmaster]

Amerindians. The ones who lived in America before Columbus.

I knew what he meant. Though the point was that it doesn't matter, it doesn't further the OP's question. All it was there for was to stir things up.

 

[MGL 86]

It is because someone said US hasn`t invaded its neighbours since 1840.
See, everyone has good and bad sides. There is no saying that US good, Russia bad.

 

[Secret Master]

I guess moderator posts are invisible now. Perhaps a thread closing will be more obvious.

Thread closed.