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Things seem to be getting out of hand... A very hard situation indeed. I wonder if attacking the Soviets earlier would have helped or not. They have a very serious penalty early on (from '37 to early-mid '41, in theory), which allows for the historical collapse of their front, but against the AI they still usually manage to retaliate. With your immense bonuses given to them, they are probably the most powerfull force on Earth right now... And you lost 200 manpower in one month. You are in for a ride, my friend ;)
 

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Cybvep: ...Therefore, any "inheritance" would have to be achieved by cheats (savegame editing). About Polish cores - I think that GhostWriter wanted to say that Poland would gain all their "core" territory upon release as a puppet.

correct regarding the inheritance part. specifically, (if HOI3 is the same as HOI2, you would need to edit into the savegame the line [IIRC] "ID = GERMAN" in the line just below the line that contains Poland's capital info, i think thus: cap = (capital ID #). anyway, IMHO, since you are really forced into an "alliance" (which BTW, the game mechanics really screw over) by the Soviet DOW, some banter that justifies the "temporary union" with Poland is needed to survive the war with the Soviets. anyway, that was my thinking on the subject.

regarding the release of Poland as a puppet, in essence, you have it correct. although in banter terms, Poland would be released as an Ally. (with loss of cores within two [three?, even four?] provinces of the Baltic Sea BUT with compensating cores from the Soviets [including, to the Black Sea.])

Cybvep:
...EDIT: BTW Poland is still embargoing me... The situation is really strange. I've been wondering about it and I thought about the following: .. How about loading as Poland, revoking the embargo with Germany, manually starting the infra projects and reloading as Germany again? AI is too stupid to do it.

this is what i was trying to circumvent with the "temporary union" idea.

Cybvep:
...but fighting was still not over. We wanted to inflict as many casualties as possible and encircle some Soviet divisions fighting in the region.

always a good idea ! ! :)

Cybvep:
...November 1942 China has fallen and the Japanese became the Asian superpower. .. We do not want to awake the giant.

agreed ! ! :D

Cybvep:
...Suggestions are welcome ;). I will post a general report in the next week.

you don't give us much wiggle room ! ! :eek:

TheBromgrev:
...You realize that if he declared war on Poland, his entire army would be trapped?

an "inheritance" would combine those two armies, as well as most everything else...

TheBromgrev:
...Also, where do the Polish cores on the Soviet Union come from? AFAIK, vanilla has nothing of the sort, and the HPP didn't implement it...

i do not have HOI3, nor do i have any expectations of obtaining it. however, HOI2 (and, if i read things correctly, HOI3) does have some Polish cores on the Soviets and it is possible (i think) to write an event that would give Poland additional cores on the Soviets.

TheBromgrev:
...he can go ahead and bring China in anyway, so it gets overrun by both Japan & the Soviets, while drawing Soviets troops away from his front. That way he still gets his distraction, while not allowing Japan to bring in the US. I don't really recommend doing so, but it's also an option.

that is a moot point atm, however, i would have liked to have seen that option implemented.
 

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What I'm thinking about is writing an event that would give me Danzig Corridor. It would not be as drastic as "inheritance", but it would allow supplies to flow directly into Eastern Prussia and not by port with limited capacity. I should be able to do so anyway, but because of shortcomings of the supply system there is no direct "flow" between my provinces and provinces of my allies.

My reservations against annexation of Poland are somewhat weakened by the fact that many potential problems may arise because of faulty game mechanics and I do not want to ruin my game.

However, having Poland as an ally has its uses, even if it's not part of the Axis. Firstly, they are an AI-nation, so they get AI bonuses. Secondly, they have about ~200 brigades and some aircraft, too. They are too weak to attack on their own, but they fill the gaps in my defence line and from time to time they support my attacks. Thirdly, I suffer no penalties due to revolt risk, because Poles are fighting alongside the Germans.

Unforuntately, I have no control over infra-development, although I've manually started the construction of some infrastructure and airfields by loading the game as Poland and then reloading as Germany.

There are many possibilities for 1943 and I still don't know which direction to take. Somehow I feel that war may be decided in that year. I still need to retain some alternatives in case of failure, though. I do not intend to end the game prematurely - I will play to end. My plan must be decisive, but also flexible.
 

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i do not have HOI3, nor do i have any expectations of obtaining it. however, HOI2 (and, if i read things correctly, HOI3) does have some Polish cores on the Soviets and it is possible (i think) to write an event that would give Poland additional cores on the Soviets.


Ah. HOI3 Poland is much simpler than what you're describing. I don't own HOI2, so I can only go off of what you wrote here, but Poland doesn' have cores on provinces outside its starting territory in HOI3. The HPP doesn't give Poland cores in Ukraine or the former Commonwealth provinces either, although we discussed it a few months ago. What the HPP does do is give German and Soviet cores on Polish territory. Also, when HPP Poland surrenders, it doesn't lose cores (maybe it should?), which helps with any post-war border changes if AI Germany is defeated.

Regardless, I think Cybvep should edit the save and give himself Danzig. This isn't to be gamey, but to work around some of the stupid quirks of the supply system. He shouldn't have to do it in the first place.

Another idea, if Cybvep wants to treat it as terms of the Polish-German alliance, is to make a custom event that forces Poland to cede any German cores to Germany, which will help him out and not hurt the AI too much given the bonuses the AI has. While completely contradictory to what happened historically, by this point the events that lead to what actually happened don't apply anymore.

Interesting situation, I look forward to see what happens, as this is a new turn of events that the HPP hasn't tested yet.
 

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Cybvep: What I'm thinking about is writing an event that would give me Danzig Corridor. It would not be as drastic as "inheritance"...

that would help ! !

Cybvep:
...and I do not want to ruin my game.

i am sure that all of your readers don't want the game ruined ! ! :)

Cybvep:
...However, having Poland as an ally has its uses .. AI bonuses. .. ~200 brigades and some aircraft, too. They are too weak to attack on their own .. Thirdly, I suffer no penalties due to revolt risk, because Poles are fighting alongside the Germans.

i agree that the AI bonuses is good. my suspicion is that you are also too weak to attack ! ! i think that the Soviets are just too beefed up to be beatable ! ! :eek:

thirdly, my avocation of "union" has the same effect on revolt risk, but includes a better coordination of military units because they are combined (and, under your control)...

Cybvep:
...Unfortunately, I have no control over infra-development, although I've manually started the construction of some infrastructure and airfields by loading the game as Poland and then reloading as Germany.

an alternate method to obtain infra would be to write an event that would add some infra where you need it, but delete a military unit to "pay" for it. just remember to return the manpower as it will be critical later on. this assumes that the AI will build units so it would just rebuild the unit.

Cybvep:
...There are many possibilities for 1943 and I still don't know which direction to take. Somehow I feel that war may be decided in that year. I still need to retain some alternatives in case of failure, though. I do not intend to end the game prematurely - I will play to end. My plan must be decisive, but also flexible.

i just don't see you being able to overcome the beefed Soviet AI. my feelings are that you gave them too much of a "head start."

TheBromgrev: ...What the HPP does do is give German and Soviet cores on Polish territory...

OK, that explains the remark regarding the Soviet DOW on Poland because of "cores." the cores were just reversed, which gave the same result - DOW.

TheBromgrev:
...Regardless, I think Cybvep should edit the save and give himself Danzig. .. He shouldn't have to do it in the first place.

Cybvep's idea above is better than a edit. and, i agree that he shouldn't have to do it in the first place.

TheBromgrev:
...Another idea, if Cybvep wants to treat it as terms of the Polish-German alliance, is to make a custom event that forces Poland to cede any German cores to Germany, which will help him out and not hurt the AI too much given the bonuses the AI has.

seems to me that the temporary union idea accomplishes that, and some more ! !

TheBromgrev:
...While completely contradictory to what happened historically, by this point the events that lead to what actually happened don't apply anymore.

that was my rational for the temporary union ! ! ;)

TheBromgrev:
...Interesting situation, I look forward to see what happens, as this is a new turn of events that the HPP hasn't tested yet.

totally agree. i suspect that you are quite happy to see this test ! ! i know that i am happy to see this test. :cool:
 

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Cybvep: ...Worrying news from America. The US government passed the Lend Lease Act...

that is a scripted event - what effect does it have on your relations?

If I recall right, its +5 in relation with the US. What I don't know is, how that +5 effects the important relation between US neutrality and the axis threat - or does in only effect US movement on the alignment chart?
 

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If I recall right, its +5 in relation with the US. What I don't know is, how that +5 effects the important relation between US neutrality and the axis threat - or does in only effect US movement on the alignment chart?

Oh, the Lend-Lease does so much more in HPP than that... For relations, it gives +20 for the UK (15 from decision, 5 from event) and -15 for Germany, which does effect drift, but it will also give occasional shipments to the UK, the Soviets (and would to China, if it didn't fell already) and also gives a Strategic Effect for these countries, as TheBromgrev explained. What he didn't tell (maybe he didn't know) is that the US also gets a Strategic Effect, reducing their suseptibility to the Axis and increasing it to the Allies, which means they will be easier to influence by the Allies and harder for the Axis. It does effect relations.

Also, if things happen quickly enough (I'm not sure if they did...), then it is possible to lower the US's Neutrality enough to bring them out of isolationism. They have a built-in modifier that increases their Neutrality, unless they get below 85 (me thinks), and that is very hard if not impossible to counter with spies. The US can't get involved in HPP unless events make them able to.
 

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General Report January 1943

TOP SECRET - AUTHORISED PERSONNEL ONLY

The following report describes strategic situation of the German Reich as of 10th of January 1943 and contains operational plans for 1943.

State of the Army


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Our land forces are modern, but numerically inferior to the Red Army. Production of new tanks (medium and heavy variants), anti-tank guns, anti-aicraft guns, tank destroyers and rocket artillery (both horse-towed and self-propelled variants) is already in progress. Moreover, more infantry and mechanised divisions are being formed. It is expected that our army will consist of at least 900 brigades (including occupation forces) by April 1943.

Tactics

It has been proven during the operations performed during 1942 that our armoured and motorised divisions are perfectly capable of achieving breakthroughs and forming encirclements (even the sizeable ones), but not necessarily able to hold them for a long time. Soviet forces are numerous, so destroying enemy divisions trapped in encirclements takes more time than we previously thought. Therefore, the recommended course of action is to utilise infantry components of our army to greater extent during the process of forming an encirclement. After the armoured divisions create a breakthrough, our infantry will engage the enemy forces in several places at once in order to prevent him from being able to reinforce his defence lines. Moreover, some infantry divisions will be quickly redeployed to guard the rear of our armoured and motorised forces.

Our frontlines are not to be unnecessarily stretched. Large encirclements often prove to be impossible to hold. It is more rational to create several smaller pockets than a single huge one if in the second case our superior position cannot be exploited.

Our experiences coming from operations performed in 1942 tell us that force concentration is crucial in any major operation. The enemy has a general numerical advantage, so achieving a local superiority is the best course of action.

State of the Airforce


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Expansion of our airforce is of utmost importance. Both during the Western Campaign of 1941-1942 and the Eastern Campaign of 1942 we were only able to achieve local and periodical air superiority. To put it simply, our fighter force is too small. We were not able to confront the enemy fighters in long air campaigns and it hindered our offensive and defensive efforts. Our bombers could not efficiently support our land forces because it was the enemy which often controlled the skies.

We must increase our aircraft production if we want to conduct the land operations effectively. It should be noted that part of our fighter force must be stationed in the West in order to counter the threat the Allied bombers pose to our population and our industry.

Moreover, our bombers will now be accompanied by fighter escorts all the time. While it will decrease their maximum range, it will also prolong their operational capability.


State of the industry


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The capacity of our industry has been greatly expanded during the last two years. However, our resource situation is alarming. We have some problems with stockpiling of coal and iron and therefore our energy and iron production are not as efficient as they could be. However, our sizeable stockpiles should be enough to stabilise the situation in the real future. The major problems may arise due to our severe shortages of rare materials. If our industry continues to consume rare materials at a current rate and we do not increase the resource flow, then our stockpile will be depleted somewhere in early 1944.

The recommended course of action is to import the resources from overseas. Non-hostile European countries no longer have the necessary resource base in order to meet the demand of our industry. Therefore, we have to expand our merchant marine and protect our convoys from enemy raiders.


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Operation Sunflower


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The remnants of the Royal Navy are docked at the port of Dover. The current state of the Allied navies is not fully known, but it expected that the fleet from Dover is one of the biggest remaining force of the Royal Navy. We intend to destroy it completely in a coordinated naval-air operation during January 1943.

Our CTF will be stationed in Mouth of Thames, ready to intercept the enemy fleet from Dover or any fleet coming to its rescue. We will concentrate our airforce in Belgium and France. Our fighters will engage the enemy aircraft, while our naval and tactical bombers and half of our CAGs will bomb port of Dover during day- and night-hours until the enemy fleet is eliminated.

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Operation Red Carpet - Spring Offensive


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In May 1943 we will start our Spring Offensive. We will begin by forcing a breakthrough near Eastern Prussia and forming an encirclement ending at Memel (RED). Our forces stationed in Eastern Prussia will attack the encircled Soviet forces and our infantry will guard our rear while the bulk of our mobile forces will attack Riga. They will be assisted by infantry transported by sea (YELLOW). This will end the first phase of the operation.

The second phase, which we intend to start in June 1943, will consist of a two-way attack from Minsk and Riga. We will use some of our light tanks to create several smaller encirclements in order to destroy the bulk of Soviet forces stationed in the North as quickly as possible (BLUE).

As soon as the situation is secured, the third phase will begin. About one fifth of our available forces will attack Leningrad in the north and prevent any Soviet reinforcements from Soviet-Finish border to aid defenders of Moscow. The rest of our forces will directly attack the Soviet capital, forming smaller encirclements on the way (PINK). Our intention is to complete this part of the operation by September 1943.

Should we succeed and the circumstances allow us, we will attack Soviet positions in the south and try to take as much ground as possible before the winter approaches. We will not stop attacking until it becomes infeasible (GREEN).

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Thoughts? Suggestions? Questions?
 

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Brilliantaar,superb strategic manuevres. i can't believe i missed this aar for so long.
 

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Cybvep: ...In May 1943 we will start our Spring Offensive. .. Thoughts? Suggestions? Questions?

if the southern plains are available for combat (read that, no snow or mud) before the northern forests, then would it be a good idea to start some operations in the South (to draw some units/reinforcements from the North ? ?

just wondering...

excellent update ! ! :cool:
 

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@AUSTERLITZ - Thanks!

@GhostWriter - I see several problems with that. I would have to spread my forces in order to achieve anything in the south, so my attack on the north would be weaker. I would lose manpower and IC wasted on reinforcements. Moreover, I would risk a breach in my defence line. Currently my units are well dug-in and I'm able to shuffle limited number of them freely. It should be noted that the Soviets considerably outnumber me in the south.

However, when they start moving units from the south to the north, a limited attack might be a good option.
 

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Cybvep: ...However, when they start moving units from the south to the north, a limited attack might be a good option.

cool ! ! same effect, just reversed ! ! :D
 

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Good plans provided you are able to execute them. Obviously destroying Soviet formations is vital. In my Barbarossa I managed a substantial encirclement by driving for Riga and trapping Soviet forces against the Baltic coast. What I also found was that fighting in the North of the front was hard work because of the heavy forestation. I had a lot more success breaking through the Soviet front in the south but didn't have sufficient forces to exploit my advantage (entirely my fault :)).

And I definitely caution against attacking along a wide front - conserving manpower is critical.
 

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Northern forests will be an issue, but the "Southern alternative" is a poor one IMO. While I could take some industrial regions and maybe even take Stalingrad, it is extremely unlikely that I would be able to take Moscow from the south. The Soviets could redeploy their forces from the North and I would have to face a broad front ranging from Eastern Prussia to Moscow region. Moreover, they could also redeploy troops from Persia and other regions and my rear would be threatened. Therefore, my lines would be stretched and vital cities like Moscow or Leningrad would still be in Soviet hands. I cannot allow that to happen. The Soviet industry is too spread out and their MP reserves too high for me to win this war by economic warfare (i.e. by taking Ukraine etc.). I must take their most vital cities in 1943 (Moscow and Leningrad) and create a good initial position for future 1944 campaign into Ukraine and other regions. Moreover, if things go well and technological progress is quick enough, the Soviets will not get even a moment of respite during winter of 1943-1944, because I will be able to bomb them with strategic rockets. The lower their NU gets, the better.

There are also other reason for choosing the Northern variant over the Southern one. The infrastructure level in the northern regions in much higher than in the southern ones, so the scale of supply problems will be smaller. I had some (periodical) logistical problems even in France and infra is around 100% there. SU will be much worse. Also, if I gain control over the Baltic Sea region, then my rear will be secured, as neither the Soviets nor the Allies will have access to that sea.

1943 will be a busy year for every branch of German military. That's for sure...
 

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Brilliantaar,superb strategic manuevres. i can't believe i missed this aar for so long.

Likewise. I'm not much of an AAR-follower, but this is one of the most exciting German-AARs I've seen.

Can't wait for the big drive to Moscow and Leningrad!
 

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Thanks for the nice comment, nokku. An update will come (most likely) in Wednesday and it will be one of the last ones before 2011 :)
 

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Operation Sunflower 16th-24th of January


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On 16th of January 1943 our bombers started the bombardment of Port of Dover. Our naval and tactical bombers were divided in day- and night-time groups and supported by light fighters.


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The bombings continued and their effects were devastating. By 24th of April the Royal Navy have lost all their screening ships docked at Dover (including a heavy cruiser) and one battlecruiser. Three battleships were heavily damaged and without support of screening ships they are not a threat anymore.

Unfortuntately, our aircraft losses were considerable, too. As a result, German leadership had mixed feelings about the outcome of the operation. It was a strategic victory for the Axis, but a tactical defeat at the same time.

It has been decided that the continuation of bombings of Dover is not worth the effort and that the port will be blocked by sea instead. The enemy battleships are no match for our carriers and the Royal Navy is battered and weak.

It is expected that the Allied forces will not pose a threat to our western holdings in 1943.
 

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subscribed. I started reading because I wanted to know what HPP could offer me. turns out it's competely out-of-the-box thinking, hair trigger suspense all the way and a HUGELY fascinating AAR in and by itself.
 

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subscribed. I started reading because I wanted to know what HPP could offer me. turns out it's competely out-of-the-box thinking, hair trigger suspense all the way and a HUGELY fascinating AAR in and by itself.
Thanks. IMO there are many German AARs, so the new ones should not simply copy the content of the previous ones, but focus on different strategies in order to keep the things fresh.
 

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Thanks. IMO there are many German AARs, so the new ones should not simply copy the content of the previous ones, but focus on different strategies in order to keep the things fresh.

I agree completely :D