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I am playing Armageddon 1.3 b2. When I played DDay, I played as Italy and joined the campaign of Barbarossa (but not in Germans' front) and I captured many provinces from the SU (for Italy itself ). When Bitter Peace fired, I suddenly had all that territories back to Soviet hand. Can anyone please tell my why and how?
Does this happen again in Armageddon 1.3 b2?
 

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Bitter Peace is a Germany only event which gives the Germans a fair slice of Russia (mostly European Russia). However later versions of the game do let Axis minor nations keep any BP territory they captured but they have to be in the Axis.
 

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The BP is kinda hard to get if the AI is Germany. Italy and Romania seem to be the best of the non German Axis if played right. I helped out the Germans in a Barbarossa campaign and went through Persia into central Asia. I thought the Germans could capture the rest. I was wrong. War ended in Apr 45 when the German lines collapsed and my army wa stuck in Asia and the Soviets puppeted me in Romania. I had trouble getting over the rivers in northern Romania.
 

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i've also seen huge non-german axis gains swept away by the bitter peace, playing as italy.

if italy or germany attacks through the caucuses and persia, central asia will crumble quickly and you can flank the SU at Stalingrad. When you do this, these axis lands gained are often lost by the bitter peace.

As far as a remedy, try releasing uzbekistan, tajikiatsan, kyrgzstan and perhaps armenia incrementally. Transural Republic and Siberia too maybe, but these giants will block your occupation eastward so don't do both....

Bitter peace seems most likely to fire if you have moscow, leningrad and stalingrad occupied plus big central industrial centers like Omsk, Sverdosk.

Letting Italy grab central asia is a good idea because you want to preserve finite german manpower and because it is better for italy to release puppets therein because germany doing so will lead to a TC overload from dissent on the main front line at the turning point of the war.

Besides, Germany aims to rule up to the urals for role playing purposes.

The weirdest bit about the bitter peace is that axis usually get to keep mongolia and tanna tuva so you may find units out of supply there....if too many, you may have no option but to release as puppet just so they don't starve to death!
 
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Bitter peace seems most likely to fire if you have moscow, leningrad and stalingrad occupied plus big central industrial centers like Omsk, Sverdosk.

The BP criteria are (assuming the UK/USA are not at peace with you):

Moscow
Leningrad
Stalingrad
Baku
Sverdlovsk

Or, if Japan is in the Axis, can be taken Vladivostook instead of Sverdlovsk.


Besides, Germany aims to rule up to the urals for role playing purposes.

The weirdest bit about the bitter peace is that axis usually get to keep mongolia and tanna tuva so you may find units out of supply there....if too many, you may have no option but to release as puppet just so they don't starve to death!

That's because the Bitter Peace only deals with the SU's lands and putting you at peace with the comintern. If you have conquered and annexed the other countries then they no longer exist and you keep the land :D