Bites of China

[Heretic]

Anybody got any tips on peace deals with CHina?

As Japan I have a smaller but better army thna CHina.
I can take Manchuria, and 2 -province ring around Bejing pretty easily, but then the weight of the chinese hordes starts to bear down.

So, any hints on the number of provinces it is possible to take in the first bite, and how many subsequent bites are feasible.

I am assuming that after I claim the first provinces, I will then find a large standing army on the border waiting for 'round 2'

Heretic

 

[unmerged(26612)]

Allways go for Bejing. Capture it and hold your front if you don´t have enough troops. The chinese troops are many but of very poor quality. After a while they should consider to give you about 4 province in a peace deal. If you want more, crush them
...but allways capture Bejing!!

 

[Lamprey]

When I invaded China as Japan it wasn't that big of a problem, weird. I had about 6-7 10 division stacks, they held their own against the Chinese pretty well. Did you maybe neglect your military tech, or try to conquer them with a small force of around 200k?

 

[Strategist]

When I defeated China defeating their armies was no great problem, surround their 300k man and then attack them with 300k of your men. They cannot flee and will surrender in no time. Repeat that trick a few times and his army is no more . The real problem in defeating China is that if you have occupied 50 % or so, the revolts will be almost impossible to stop. Thats why it took me 3 times to annex them .

 

[Heretic]

ok, my army sounds way too small..

I am only using about 6 stacks of 4 divisions..
looks like i will have to cahs out on this war, mobilise a whole rack of Koreans and then come back and get them properly..
and i was hoping to secure a really good coal supply too..
ah well

Heretic

 

[unmerged(26612)]

The real problem in defeating China is that if you have occupied 50 % or so, the revolts will be almost impossible to stop. Thats why it took me 3 times to annex them .

It seems the BBs aren´t a problem to you I only annexed them once.. the war was horrible.. revolts everywhere. And the following 10 years I saw revoltrisk in some provinces up to 50%... of nationalism.

 

[Memnon]

In general, and especially with uncivilized countries, they'll jump at peace as long as you're beating them.

I held Beijing (go Cossak cavalry!) for about a year while my infantry occupies western China. I usually get about 8-10 provinces in the deal. I make sure I have a border with Tibet, so I can take them out, and I usuaslly try to get a border with Afghanistan or Kashmir to get to Punjab, so I can try to annex them before the Brits do.

 

[unmerged(27373)]

You don't need borders with Afhgnistan, Burma, etc. to conquer China quickly, just use a large enough navy to have multiple landings everywhere along the Chinese coast. China will be annexed from beginning to finish in less than a year (I think my game was about 11 months)

 

[unmerged(3921)]

In general I've noticed that players neglect or don't take full advantage of naval landing abilities. THE fastest way to blitz countries like Korea, Japan, China, Brazil, Chile, etc. is to land on each and every one of their coastal provinces while simultaneously invading via whatever land border you have with these countries. If you don't have the force structure to pull off that kind of assault then you should think twice about attempting a "total" victory against those countries.

 

[unmerged(27373)]

I think it's because navy is not as versatile as army. You always need an army to conquer someone, you don't always need a navy to conquer someone.

Also, for countries such as Austria, Germany, navy isn't that important initially as you got other issues to deal with.

I start to realize the importance of naval landing in my 2nd Victoria game...as USA, I discovered I could not build and hold any line against UK because as soon as I stablize a line (Maine, then retreat to Pennsylvania, etc.) UK will land along my coast, disrupting my line and expose my divisions to encirclement...

Since then, I've been using naval landing in almost every game...it really speed up conquest of a long and narrow nation, such as Vietnam...with naval landing, it's a 2 layer nation to conquer. Without massive naval landing...it's like 5 layer or so..more than double the time it requires to conquer such nation.

 

[unmerged(30212)]

Wow, everyone here is a lot better Victoria player than me. I've taken four or five bites out of China but am nowhere near annexing it.

 

[Memnon]

You don't need borders with Afhgnistan, Burma, etc. to conquer China quickly, just use a large enough navy to have multiple landings everywhere along the Chinese coast. China will be annexed from beginning to finish in less than a year (I think my game was about 11 months)

Read my earlier post again. I think you got the pronouns mixed up. "Them" refers to the British, not to the Chinese.

 

[unmerged(26612)]

Wow, everyone here is a lot better Victoria player than me. I've taken four or five bites out of China but am nowhere near annexing it.

You don´t need to be good. Just patience and hundreds of divisions No one gets angry if you steal provinces out of china.. so every 5 years you try to get 5 to 10 provinces in every peace deal and then after a few decades when BBs aren´t the matter anymore occupy the rest an annex China.

No one cares if you ravage China I really think there should be BBs for geting unciv provinces too. Maybe 0.5/prov or something.

 

[unmerged(27373)]

Read my earlier post again. I think you got the pronouns mixed up. "Them" refers to the British, not to the Chinese.

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[unmerged(11750)]

Well, first of all I wouldn't advocate taking any provinces from China, unless you need additional resources to expand your economy. DoWing China for war indemnities is always a good idea though, and can usually be done with as little as 100k troops. (I've done it with as few as 50k, but it was a near thing.)

If you simply must take provinces, I wouldn't DoW with less than 500k troops and 10 transport ships. Beijing should be the first target, followed by successive landings all along the coast. I almost never accept the AI's offers, as I usually DoW China to gain a specific province or two that contain a needed resource. Believe it or not, the China AI will accept player offered deals far exceeding his current warscore as long as Beijing is occupied and a substantial portion of the coast (where most of the population is) is in enemy hands.

Once you take provinces, the China AI will garrison its border with you heavily, but given enough military techs and a few fortifications that will be quite irrelevant. You can always bypass the Chinese divisions with additional landings. Personally, I like to leave a small garrison with reinforcements waiting offshore. Then I wait for the Chinese to attack with their hordes, land the reinforcements, and cackle with glee as the enemy is mercilessly slaughtered. But that's just the kind of sick, evil bastard I am.

 

[Memnon]

Personally, I like to leave a small garrison with reinforcements waiting offshore. Then I wait for the Chinese to attack with their hordes, land the reinforcements, and cackle with glee as the enemy is mercilessly slaughtered. But that's just the kind of sick, evil bastard I am.

Didn't you just describe yourself as a Mahayana Buddhist in the Forum POP thread? :rofl:

 

[Heretic]

mm,
well, i managed a minor invasion as Peru with about 4 divs of Okinawa cavalry and a couple of infantry..
China were somewhat tied up with the UK occupying 1/4 of the south.
i sneaked about 5 provinces in the manchuria area, and then managed to keep 2 in the peace deal.
This has now secured my coal supply, so my railroad program can now take place without imported materials.

I'm trying to play a game without being wild over conquest, just enough to support my needs.
ok, I did annex Oman, and then sell the east african coast to prussia for £12,000 a province just to underpin my industrialisation and healthcare, but I nw seem to have a reasonable economy, and will probably (ish) refrain from similar antics in future

Heretic

 

[unmerged(30240)]

Has anyone tried to buy provinces from China by offering the techs they need to become civilized? If so, what are the techs -- free trade, muskets, ?

 

[Darkrenown]

Techs alone won't make them civilized, but Freedome of trade, flintlock rifles, mechicanical press and interchangeable parts would help them a lot.

 

[unmerged(26612)]

Has anyone seen AI China going civilized with the Prestige-Industry-Militaryrating-Event? In my games they never reach the 50 industry or 100 prestige

In my next game I will make them civilize from the start, just to see how they do