Bit disappointed...

[Sadiregu]

I've never really understood all this, as long as it's cosmetic, and doesn't affect the game, what does it matter? As long as they don't go the Total War route, and do something silly like locking Germany behind a paywall, i see no problem. If you do, vote with your wallet, don't buy it.

 

[BobbyDylan]

Very much agree. Also, the Poland Focus tree as a preorder bonus is outright bull IMHO.

 

[columbusbobby23]

I've never really understood all this, as long as it's cosmetic, and doesn't affect the game, what does it matter? As long as they don't go the Total War route, and do something silly like locking Germany behind a paywall, i see no problem. If you do, vote with your wallet, don't buy it.

Some people don't like the units at all and will no doubt turn them off in the options. But for the others it does effect the game and it does matter. All the portraits in the game are just cosmetic. Would you be happy with a generic picture for all the leaders and just the name be different?

Very much agree. Also, the Poland Focus tree as a preorder bonus is outright bull IMHO.

Poland focus tree come with the base game. AFAIK You don't have to preorder.

 

[columbusbobby23]

Here it is:

This DLC gives Poland a unique national focus tree , several 3D vehicle models, 2D art and additional leader portraits, fleshing out the experience of playing as the nation. The Poland: United and ReadyDLC will be available for all players, no matter when they choose to purchase a copy of Hearts of Iron IV.

 

[Smom]

TBH paradox never failed me since CK2 and to me i really don't want them to change so i keep believing and supporting them the price is really reasonable lets face it guys we will easily put 200-300 hours in this game for 40 bucks ?! which sounds like an amazing deal to me there are people who don't care about sprite packs so that's fair . on the other hand i really like the cosmetic stuff helps me a lot with getting into the game and the way i see it 50 bucks for all of that is standard .

 

[Sadiregu]

Did ALL countries in EU4 have uniques ideas and units at launch? No? What about HOI2? Did All countries have unique events, unit sprites, and such? Have you thought about why that is? These things cost work hours to make, thus they cost money to get, unless they are in a free patch. As long as no one can present evidence of features and content actually being held back, or "cut", this is pretty much "i want more, but i don't want to pay for it" whining. If you don't like the way Paradox does things, stop supporting them. Otherwise, enjoy the game, when it's out, and get the DLC you like. Or don't, it's up to you.

 

[BobbyDylan]

Poland focus tree come with the base game. AFAIK You don't have to preorder.

Ah, I stand corrected.

 

[columbusbobby23]

Did ALL countries in EU4 have uniques ideas and units at launch? No? What about HOI2? Did All countries have unique events, unit sprites, and such? Have you thought about why that is? These things cost work hours to make, thus they cost money to get, unless they are in a free patch. As long as no one can present evidence of features and content actually being held back, or "cut", this is pretty much "i want more, but i don't want to pay for it" whining. If you don't like the way Paradox does things, stop supporting them. Otherwise, enjoy the game, when it's out, and get the DLC you like. Or don't, it's up to you.

We are not talking about expansions after a release.

In this case there is no evidence needed. It's plain for all to see.

 

[Sadiregu]

We are not talking about expansions after a release.

In this case there is no evidence needed. It's plain for all to see.

I wasn't either. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing.

 

[gamedude]

I've never really understood all this, as long as it's cosmetic, and doesn't affect the game, what does it matter? As long as they don't go the Total War route, and do something silly like locking Germany behind a paywall, i see no problem. If you do, vote with your wallet, don't buy it.

If you are anything fan of history. You would understand that it would be pretty cool to see a T-34 tank steamrolling through Germany. Or the M4-Sherman. You also got the naval fleet which could be pretty cool. I am only missing fighter plane sprite pack in this bundle but i guess they decided not to go with that.

 

[columbusbobby23]

If you are anything fan of history. You would understand that it would be pretty cool to see a T-34 tank steamrolling through Germany. Or the M4-Sherman. You also got the naval fleet which could be pretty cool. I am only missing fighter plane sprite pack in this bundle but i guess they decided not to go with that.

Exactly this. If somebody doesn't care to see their Tiger II's rolling across the eastern front or their new heavy cruiser sailing through the Mediterranean, that's fine for them. But they shouldn't say it doesn't effect the game because it clearly does for a lot of people.

 

[leeuw]

After all the disappointment for the 3D models in favour of counters, it is very strange to read so many complains about the fact that PDX decided to release this cosmetic feature as a bonus for higher price versions.
I'm just a little bit disappointed for the choice to exclude Japan and Italy from this cosmetic bonuses and for the choice to release a DLC focus tree only for Poland without considering also China.

 

[BobbyDylan]

After all the disappointment for the 3D models in favour of counters, it is very strange to read so many complains about the fact that PDX decided to release this cosmetic feature as a bonus for higher price versions.
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Yeah, it's really weird. It's almost like the internet isn't a singular entity but instead is a cacophony of voices all with different opinions.

 

[leeuw]

It's almost like the internet isn't a singular entity but instead is a cacophony of voices all with different opinions.

Yep. It is also like the internet has no sarcasm detectors

 

[CHRIS3169]

Would you rather pay 60 dollars for the game that includes all the various cosmetic dlcs, or have the option to pay 40 for a game that plays exactly the same, only doesn't have as many cosmetic.

It seems to me like instead of overcharging for cosmetics, they're undercharging for the base game and giving people the opportunity to either pay more for added flavor, or have a price friendly version of the game for people that don't care about the cosmetics.

Dlc is a touchy subject, and I agree to most arguments about companies milking their loyal fans. However, paradox is one of my favorite companies, and I don't mind supporting them. If they have a certain amount of hours alotted to the development of the game, wouldn't you rather have them spend time and resources in making the actual game better, instead of having a thousand different soldier icons?

If the graphics designers finish all their work and are just waiting on other aspects of the game to be finished, then work on extras, should they be included in the base game? Probably...but who knows.

Like I said, I'd rather have the option to pay 40 for the base game, then either ignore the flavor packs or grab them when they're 75 percent off on steam, than pay 60 for a game that includes them all.

 

[Damorte]

Personally i honestly couldnt care less about sprite packs. Do you want to know how many times in total ive ever zoomed in to take a look at sprites in a paradox game? Ill tell you for free, its zero times, and ive been playing theese games since Svea Rike came out.
With that said i still think its in general a scummy practice to cut content out of the game and sell as day one DLC, but hey its obviously what customers seem to want and expect because obviously no company would invest in creating day one dlc if customers didnt actually buy it.
But anyways it could be worse i mean its not like its creative assembly level of scumminess where entire factions gets cut out and sold as day one dlc.

 

[Wannabe]

I really dont mind if you get extra music and stuff on the fancier editions, you just support the game because you a) have money and b) you want to. I dont understand how holding all major nations unit models as hostage for money is really a good idea (Specially at release!). This really makes me want to not to pre-order at all when I see something like this, rather wait for sales when greed for money goes over decency. I would understand if you would have some minor nations stuff as extra, like lets say poland dlc behind pay wall, but all major nations? NO.... Really think you put those 2 dlc in wrong spots on the menu.

I know you guys like to fill your game with shitloads of dlc, I never liked that, most of your games have monthly fees when you count the dlc costs, and I feel you are going on the same path heavier than before. I like that you keep on working on the games even years after release but dont take it too far.

 

[3ishop]

I'm a bit disappointed at all the threads we need on pre-order price and packs.

 

[BobbyDylan]

I'm a bit disappointed at all the threads we need on pre-order price and packs.

Me too.

 

[greifer_77]

I don't understand the angst though? We all knew the game was coming. Games now are cheaper than ever, compared the past. The basic package for HOI4 is fantastic.

PDS are a business, they have to make money to survive. Those that only want/afford the base game the option is there. For those that want to spend more to tip towards PDS have the option.
The cosmetics may be available at a future date for a cheaper price for those that want them. As a pre-purchase offer from PDS I was happy with the offerings and gladly spent my money where its deserved.