Bismark Counter Revolution

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As a newbie, I am drawn to Prussia, cause it is big, bad and industrialised. But as I don't want to be drawn into the Liberal revolutions I thought I would be a smart ass and go to democracy. TAKE THAT RULING CLASS!!!

But then as I have just stuffed the Danish and the economy is going along, starting to build real momentum, bam all my troops revolt in this Bismark event.

How do you suggest I handle this event, short of demobilizing all my troops till after the event.

 

[Lotus Lo]

future... change your press rights to limited or free and you wont have to deal w/ the liberal revolutions.

as for now... well, i dont have any suggestions besides beating them in a fight.

 

[OriginalRafiki]

Yup, avoid the Bismarck counter-revolution. Unlike the liberal revolution, it doesn't get reversed....

 

[Thistletooth]

Yup, avoid the Bismarck counter-revolution. Unlike the liberal revolution, it doesn't get reversed....

But it only happens once, right? And doesn't it have an enddate (the event, not the effects) in the 1860s at the least?

If so, you should have plenty of time to democratize Prussia/Germany.

 

[OriginalRafiki]

If you get the liberal revolution, you get a "The End of the Liberal Revolution"-event in February 1850 that just about reverses the effects of thew liberal revolution.

If you get the Mismarck counter-revolution, the effect is "permanent"; you get no event afterwards that nullifies that event. But the enddate for the Bismarck-event is indeed 1851, so if you can keep it away till then, you should be good.

 

[Rya]

By the way, Bismarck Counter-Revolution does not fire for a unified Germany *hint hint*

 

[Thistletooth]

By the way, Bismarck Counter-Revolution does not fire for a unified Germany *hint hint*

Unite Germany within 15 years? That's madness! The AI would never cooperate with something like that, and Prussia can't afford to invade all of those states.

I'm sure it can be done, I just don't see how that's a better path to waiting until Napoleon III gets his britches in a stir.

 

[King]

Unite Germany within 15 years? That's madness! The AI would never cooperate with something like that, and Prussia can't afford to invade all of those states.

I'm sure it can be done, I just don't see how that's a better path to waiting until Napoleon III gets his britches in a stir.

If the government of Frankfurt falls before the Liberial revoultion event. You can invade and conquer it. I find that the North German Federation doesn't really do as well under those conditions.

 

[Rya]

Unite Germany within 15 years? That's madness! The AI would never cooperate with something like that, and Prussia can't afford to invade all of those states.

I'm sure it can be done, I just don't see how that's a better path to waiting until Napoleon III gets his britches in a stir.

I do it every game... my fastest was 1839. But that lead to certain destruction at the hands of Russia (and a ton of negative prestige for breaking peace agreements). So to be (relatively) safe, buff up relations with them first and make at least defensive alliance. That gives 5 years time to prepare for the onslaught ^^
If you've got more time, satellite everything that is bigger than 1 province. You get all but the capital BB free... otherwise this annexation spree wouldn't be feasible. You can get away with minimal badboy (meaning no war) that way.

 

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By the way, Bismarck Counter-Revolution does not fire for a unified Germany *hint hint*

Does that mean it goes away if you unify Germany after it fires?

 

[iBaLkiD]

Does that mean it goes away if you unify Germany after it fires?

Before is best. Check out Lamprey's Prussia guide. He gives a great breakdown of forming germany before the Lib Rev i believe, been a while tho...

 

[OriginalRafiki]

Does that mean it goes away if you unify Germany after it fires?

The effects don't get reversed by any event, so unifying after it has fired has no effect compared to remaining Prussian: you have to unify before it fires.

 

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The effects don't get reversed by any event, so unifying after it has fired has no effect compared to remaining Prussian: you have to unify before it fires.

A bit of a game ending event then, don't you think? I've experienced the liberal revolution, and it isn't that tough but a serious annoyance. I couldn't imagine an entire game of that.

 

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I must be insane, but the only problem I have the Bismark event is that my army has a 60% chance (read near certain) of revolting. So I lose my entire army, but I really suffer no further effects.
Am I just really dumb, thanks everyone for their information and help!
Oh where can I find Lamprays Prussia guide?

 

[OriginalRafiki]

A bit of a game ending event then, don't you think? I've experienced the liberal revolution, and it isn't that tough but a serious annoyance. I couldn't imagine an entire game of that.

Nope, no game-ender at all. What I'm saying is:

- If you get the liberal revolution, with a significant rise in MIL and CON for parts of your population, it gets followed some time later by an approximately similar significant decline in MIL and CON when the revolution is "over".

- If you get Bismarck's counter-revolution, you don't get the "reversing"/"ending" event, so you need to deal with MIL and CON through the normal game mechanisms. You might also get an army revolt (if the counter-revolution "fails"), but that's possible to quash as any other rebellion. If the counter-revolution "succeeds", you get your constitution set to "monarchy" again.

So no game-ender, just a pesky event that you need to work harder to deal with, since it doesn't get followed by an "anti-event".

 

[Xanthippus]

I must be insane, but the only problem I have the Bismark event is that my army has a 60% chance (read near certain) of revolting. So I lose my entire army, but I really suffer no further effects.
Am I just really dumb, thanks everyone for their information and help!
Oh where can I find Lamprays Prussia guide?

If it says in an event that your army has a 60% chance of revolting, then it makes a check for every seperate division. Therefore, unless you are incredibly unlucky, you should still have some of your army to put down the revolting troops. Won't be easy though... I would suggest building more troops and/or mobilising.

 

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Oh thanks for the explaination, it is just that it is a bugger to lose nearly your entire army and then have to rebuild it. I am still learning the game so it takes a while as I am not crash hot on building my economy.

In my latest try I just accepted the Liberal Germany, then put the Socialists in power! :rofl:
Is there anyway to change a Cons Monarchy into a Democracy?
Also anyway to reduce BB quicker than normal without releasing satilites?

 

[OriginalRafiki]

Is there anyway to change a Cons Monarchy into a Democracy?

Nope, not without a revolution.

Also anyway to reduce BB quicker than normal without releasing satilites?

Nope, not unless you start editing the savegame or make some custome badbot-reducing events.