Bishops or Mayor Vassals on County level

[Tyson_48]

Is it possible to promote / grant title to bishops and mayor but keep the castle.

So if i grant bishop/mayor x the county y, the capital switch to the bishopric/city but they also get the castle only to grant the barony to some random baron.
Is there any possibility to keep the castle by myself or to grant this barony to another one by my choice?

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

I am sure there is a way, never tried. Try this, before you give town to Bishop or Mayor, revoke the barony and keep it as part of your demense, when you transfer county to Bishop or Mayor, do not include lower titles. I think that you would remain the ruler of that barony. Just know that you harm your bishops and mayors by doing this. They will not have full tax base, and so they will not have full tax to upgrade. It also imho hurts you by not having a full county in your demense. But I know I have held baronies not in my demense before, so I know it can be done. Bishops are not great at upgrading, but lord Mayors are insane.

 

[Hastyr]

It should be:
Give the mayor/bishop the county without including the lower titles.

or you could give the barony away to someone else first before handing off the county.

 

[unmerged(424234)]

No, there is no way. Two posters above me have no idea what they are writing about.

 

[Sweynforkbeard]

Doing what you propose cannot be done and it would be a bad idea anyway, because the mayor or bishop would dislike you for it.
What you can do instead, if your key goal is just to avoid having barons under bishops or mayors, is to give the baron a country title elsewhere. The baron will then nolonger be under the mayor/bishop. The mayor/bishop will dislike the baron (now count) for holding a title that rightly should be subject to him, but your relationship to the mayor/bishop will be unafffected.

 

[Hastyr]

what if you made it so that you keep the baron as your vassal, but give the rest to the mayor/bishop and then revoke the barony (is that even possible?) and or assassinate the baron so the title falls on you?

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

*shurg* I remember holding barons not in my demense, explain how this can happen?

 

[Cymsdale]

*shurg* I remember holding barons not in my demense, explain how this can happen?

Inheritance. It's not really something you want to try to make happen, so I don't really understand what the point of this thread is.

I generally try to never have baronies at all, even in counties that I own the titles for.

 

[Mutineer]

*shurg* I remember holding barons not in my demense, explain how this can happen?

If there are more then one castle in county, then anyone can hold second castle. You migth inherited it, for example. It would not be the capital of county.

 

[Sweynforkbeard]

The long tedious and largely pointless way to make it happen is:
1. Grant a county to an old celibat fellow.
2. Revoke the lordmayor/bishop.
3. transfer the vassalage of the baron to your celibat count.
4. kill of the baron and all his heirs.
5. Give away the county again.
6. wait for the celibat count to die (or kill him too but then you would not need him to be celibat)
7. Inherit.

Inheritance. It's not really something you want to try to make happen, so I don't really understand what the point of this thread is.

I generally try to never have baronies at all, even in counties that I own the titles for.

Having multiple holdings in counties that are significantly more advanced than the rest of your demense can be a potent way to spred tech.

 

[Tyson_48]

So if you say this is pointless, is there any reason to have a count-level bishop or mayor at all?
And if there is none, why there is this feature?
iirc you should have a massive bonus on income with bishops and mayor as count-level vassals...

 

[Cymsdale]

So if you say this is pointless, is there any reason to have a count-level bishop or mayor at all?
And if there is none, why there is this feature?
iirc you should have a massive bonus on income with bishops and mayor as count-level vassals...

The worth of having a count-level bishop or mayor has nothing to do with owning the barony under them. This is really begging the question.

Mayor or bishop vassals are a ways to trade military power for better tax income (this is a gross oversimplification).

I personally like to have a mix of all three depending on the situation and locations.

 

[Pinstar]

The worth of having a count-level bishop or mayor has nothing to do with owning the barony under them. This is really begging the question.

Mayor or bishop vassals are a ways to trade military power for better tax income (this is a gross oversimplification).

I personally like to have a mix of all three depending on the situation and locations.

Which situations/locations would you prefer each type then?

 

[NewbieOne]

The capital holding of a county is usually a castle, not a town or bishopric. I'm presuming we're talking about this one and not about some other barony down the list of holdings.

Yes, if you grant the county to the bishop or mayor, he will also get the county's capital barony. Perhaps he will not grant it to someone else right away. As soon as it pops up as a separate new barony rather than being included in the county title, you can revoke it from him. But you can't forcibly take vassals the way you can revoke titles. In other words, the bishop or mayor must hold it as a separate barony for you to be able to revoke it.

 

[icon41gimp]

The mayor or bishop will get rid of the barony to a vassal before you can revoke it.

I don't really understand why you'd want this situation to begin with though. The baronies are going to have poor levies as they have no additional tax base and your bishops/mayors will hate you lowering their tax/levy output.

 

[Fishy101]

Kind of off topic, but what is the advantage of having prince bishoprics?

 

[yezhanquan]

Kind of off topic, but what is the advantage of having prince bishoprics?

I'm assuming that they're easier to control. With Free Investiture and some traits giving church-specific positive opinions, you have a tame and reliable source of gold.