Binding Crown Authority to Succession laws

[N Katsyev]

One thing I'd really like seeing in coming patches is that crown authority will be limited by one's succession laws. Elective only allowing low crown authority or medium at most due to it's essentially decentralized manner. Gavelkind as well should have an upper limit due to its tendency to splinter power bases. Only primo and perhaps seniority should allow for absolute which should be nigh on impossible to maintain in larger realms anyway though a small centralized one should have this as a way to compete.

 

[Kimberly]

I don't think elective succession should necessarily involve low crown authority...the reasoning behind this seems kind of rickety. As a player, it would seem very artificial to me if I couldn't get crown authority X just because of the type of succession law I had. I'd prefer the system some other players have proposed, where if the "wrong" person wins an election, crown authority is lowered. For example, if the next king is from a different dynasty, or not the heir designated by the previous king.

Why would have gavelkind have low crown authority? Gavelkind is simply about the distribution of property; while this splinters real power, the legal power of a monarch shouldn't be affected. Gavelkind already makes monarchs more susceptible to attempts to lower crown authority, and having claims pushed against them by siblings. (Installing a claimant already lowers crown authority, doesn't it?)

 

[Divi]

I don't think elective succession should necessarily involve low crown authority...the reasoning behind this seems kind of rickety. As a player, it would seem very artificial to me if I couldn't get crown authority X just because of the type of succession law I had. I'd prefer the system some other players have proposed, where if the "wrong" person wins an election, crown authority is lowered. For example, if the next king is from a different dynasty, or not the heir designated by the previous king.

Why would have gavelkind have low crown authority? Gavelkind is simply about the distribution of property; while this splinters real power, the legal power of a monarch shouldn't be affected. Gavelkind already makes monarchs more susceptible to attempts to lower crown authority, and having claims pushed against them by siblings. (Installing a claimant already lowers crown authority, doesn't it?)

Because gavelkind systems largely assumed that the resulting sub-parts were to be their own realms. Similarly, an elective monarchy built around princes will tend to have said princes being very powerful magnates. There's a few exceptions I could see (like Poland when the polish monarchy became elective), but the big examples I can think of, the HRE and Hungary (and the High Kingship of ireland to some degree) tended to revolve around the existence of powerful princes taking turns ruling the realm.

Medium, imo, is a good maximum point for most of the map anyway; Byzantium should probably start out with High or Max but erode over time. There should pretty much be no country with max crown authority in the 15th century.

 

[Ruwaard]

I wouldn't like that, since currently a certain level of crown authority is needed to switch to a different succession law. Implementing this would set succession laws in stone; if anything I'd rather like it, if succession laws and crown authority are more separated like maybe give a role to legalism? (Like in certain mods )

 

[JonStryker]

I wouldn't like that, since currently a certain level of crown authority is needed to switch to a different succession law. Implementing this would set succession laws in stone; if anything I'd rather like it, if succession laws and crown authority are more separated like maybe give a role to legalism? (Like in certain mods )

But how would we trap vassals in Gavelkind for all eternity if this is done

 

[N Katsyev]

I wouldn't like that, since currently a certain level of crown authority is needed to switch to a different succession law. Implementing this would set succession laws in stone; if anything I'd rather like it, if succession laws and crown authority are more separated like maybe give a role to legalism? (Like in certain mods )

Not necessarily, you could switch from say Elective to Gavelkind to move forward to something else.

 

[theKing1988]

I wouldn't like that, since currently a certain level of crown authority is needed to switch to a different succession law. Implementing this would set succession laws in stone; if anything I'd rather like it, if succession laws and crown authority are more separated like maybe give a role to legalism? (Like in certain mods )

I'm with Ruwaard on this one.