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Richtenberg, luck favours the madmen. ;)

Hm, mad men and luck:

  • Caligula, Roman Emperor (made his horse a senator, waged war on the sea), reigned 37-41, brutally murdered.
  • Selim II, Ottoman Sultan (supposedly invaded Cyprus to gain control of his favorite vintage, which led to the Battle of Lepanto), ruled 1566-1574, died after drunkenly slipping on a wet floor.
  • King George III, British King (lost a small patch of land in the Americas), reigned 1760-1820, albeit insane from 1811 on.
  • King Ludwig II, Bavarian King (built Schloss Neuschwanstein, as well as several other castles), reigned 1864-1866, deposed as mentally ill, found dead one day later under suspicious circumstances.

Granted, it's not an exhaustive list by any means, but the general tendency does not seem to be towards greatness. ;)
 

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Hm, mad men and luck:

  • King Ludwig II, Bavarian King (built Schloss Neuschwanstein, as well as several other castles), reigned 1864-1866, deposed as mentally ill, found dead one day later under suspicious circumstances.


Which, although ruinous on the short term, led to a great increase in Bavaria's tourism income down to the present day. :D
 

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If there's still time for another elector, put down a vote for Von Holstein. A Crusade in the Balkans might be glorious, but it would also be:
a) Brief, if Hungary or Lithuania took advantage of the Order's distraction.
b) Pointless, if it failed to inflict a major defeat on the Ottomans (the last two Crusades to the Balkans came to very sticky ends) &
c) Empty, since even if it succeeded it would merely re-institute the old Crusader problem - small Catholic states in an area where Catholic are a small minority, ruled by Latins with little in common with their subjects, are simply too weak to stand long without significant support from the west. The Order is not strong enough on its own to prop up half-a-dozen distant quasi-vassals, and the Catholics of southern Europe are unlikely to be much help - after all, the Crusade was a success, wasn't it? Why are those Knights coming round again asking for a new army and more funds?
 

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a) Brief, if Hungary or Lithuania took advantage of the Order's distraction.
They might subsidise the Order's Crusade, if the Pope called for one rahter than fight directly.
b) Pointless, if it failed to inflict a major defeat on the Ottomans
A major defeat of the Ottomans is entirely what is envisaged
c) Empty, since even if it succeeded it would merely re-institute the old Crusader problem - rule ... by Latins with little in common with their subjects ... The Order is not strong enough .. and the Catholics of southern Europe are unlikely to be much help
The Ordenstaat is not your average run of the mill bunch of crusaders. They've two hundred years experience of rule in the north through missionary zeal and the steel of their knights.
 

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COMMENTS: First, thank you everyone for voting. I appreciate the rational arguments you put up concerning who should rule, and therefore (ideally) where he should focus our efforts.

Enewald: That is Richtenberg's plan!

Ar7: Sanity? In a ruler? What a novel concept :)

Vandervecken: If the Ottos don't get their act together, Byzantium might not need our help to stay Christian!

Qorten: You're referring to The Ebony Cross and the Sacred Eagle. I remember reading it at the time and finding his plan to liberate the Holy Land hard to swallow. I wasn't even thinking of it when I came up with von Richtenberg's plan - interesting similarity. A very well written AAR for anyone interested in an alternate and successful history of the Order.

Chief Ragusa: Von Richtenberg would probably love to sneak away if the opportunity arises.

Stuyvesant: I don't think the devil's investing in zambonis just yet.

Enewald: Luck does favor the madmen. It's usually everyone else that causes them trouble ;)

Vanderveecken: Undead Plauen for President! Wait, wrong country.

Ar7: That may not be how the saying goes, but it sounds like a fun recipe for life :)

Nedews: Welcome!

Morrell8: Ooh! A bribe! You know how to get to von Keyserling's dark heart :)

AllmyJames: Right on all counts: The Order's not very united. A Turk crusade would be very popular down south. It might be more than Bohemia and Lithuania can resist. :)

gabor: A difficult goal, but all worthy ones usually are.

germanpeon: That would probably be the in-game translation: Lip service to Rome, while letting the populace do what they want. They probably see it as tolerance (or pragmatism). I imagine the Order's getting tired of waiting for concrete results.

aldriq: Right. The risk with von Richtenberg is very high.

Pwn*Star Thanks for voting!

Sweboy: If the Order was to make a serious push at the Holy Land itself then yes, I'd say they need a substantial base. The Ottomans aren't that strong so far, but taking Jerusalem would mean taking on a very large Mamluk nation.

Hannibal X: Even if leaving Byzantium alone means the Turks get 'em?

Stuyvesant: True, but it's always the mad men who cause the most trouble. Er..the quiet madmen. :)

Vandervecken: Exactly! Von Richtenberg could lead to an increase in tourism!

merrick: Good points. A fresh Crusade down south is problematic. If the Order does go down that road they probably need a better plan, more resources and safety back home.

Chief Ragusa: ....or plenty of experience. In the 1460s the crusading zeal is all but dead - especially in a EU3 world where excommunications and holy wars are just an excuse to go on a landgrab. IF anyone was to go after the Holy Land (or just chase the Turk out of Europe), the Teutons are the only ones left with that kind of mindset.
 

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XX: Welcome to the Big Leagues (1462-1466)


Choices

After four votes over two days the Conclave remained deadlocked. Joseph von Richtenberg's supporters, as well as Friedrich von Holstein's, remained entrenched while distant runner up Isidor von Keyserling refused to abdicate and so allow for the simple majority that the Order's Code and Charter required.

On the third day Papal Legate Sancho de Toledo ruled against von Keyserling and ordered him to stand aside. On the fourth he proved his mastery over his followers:

Conclave of 1462 said:
Joseph von Richtenberg: 27 votes
Friedrich von Holstein: 27 votes
(Abstain) 1 vote

Grosskomtur von Keyserling knew this couldn't go on, nor did he really want it to. He felt that the election was tainted by the fact nine electors, most if not all loyal to him, couldn't vote because they sat in Constantinople awaiting word over whether to proceed against Moldavia. He also believed those electors would have a disproportionate effect on the election as they swung entire bishoprics to his cause. He knew he couldn't prevail, but Keyserling wanted the best deal available for his cooperation.

In the end it proved simple enough. In his journal he wrote:

Isidor von Keyserling said:
(I met with...) von Richtenberg. A young man with no real understanding of politics or of the situation we face. He believes in the righteousness of our cause, and that God will see us to victory over the Turk. Apparently no one told him that God helps those who help themselves. I do not like the way he speaks about Michael (von Anhalt)...

Von Holstein doesn't impress me but at least his ideas are sound. I'm not convinced he will do as well against the Rus as he thinks, but at least he won't have to denude our defenses to try. I believe he will see the need for keeping people with more pragmatic opinions around...

Conclave of 1462 said:
Friedrich von Holstein: 29 votes
Joseph von Richtenberg: 26 votes


Pragmastism and Faith

Friedrich von Holstein was born in 1416 along the Danish border. He was second son of a minor noble family that suffered cruelly in the constant back and forth skirmishes with the Scandinavians and entered the Knighthood in 1434. He focused less on force of arms and more on the spiritual side of his duties mastering Latin and Catholic theology while generally giving sound, if not brilliant, counsel to those in distress. Late in von Anhalt's career he gave several significant Masses in Marienburg suggesting a return to the Order's founding principles.

These principles, he felt, dictated the Order's next course: To bring the Rus into the Catholic fold by peace where possible and force where necessary. He didn't hate them, nor did he delude himself into thinking that sending an army rampaging through the Russian steppes was doing them any favors. They were simply in the way of his God, and that was the only casus belli he required.

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In short, von Holstein wasn't a remarkable man, but at least he didn't share von Anhalt's autistic indifference nor von Plauen's manic episodes. He was quiet, competent, reasonably solid and most importantly (according to his followers) - sane.

Within the first week he reappointed von Keyserling as Grosskomtur and ordered the Hermann von Salza back to sea to bring von Mecklenburg home. Then he sent Rittermeister von Erlichshausen and 6,000 "missionaries" to convert Novgorod.

The first three months of von Holstein's reign passed rather quietly, though tension steadily ratcheted up along the Muscovy border as more 'missionaries' entered Ingria to supposedly help convert the population there. Some last gifts from von Anhalt's reforms bore fruit as improved drainage in Osel allowed for more food and therefore more people, while locals discovered a large coal deposit in Livonia. (Agricultural Revolution: +1 Tax, Minerals Discovered leads to new trade good in Livland)

Then, in December 1462, riots broke out in Riga over the Order's forced annexation. Locals captured several priests and forced them to appoint Dietrich von Schwann their archbishop. Von Schwann immediately declared independence and excommunicated the entire Teutonic Order in the Pope's name.

Rather than move soldiers from the Muscovite border, Hochmeister von Holstein chose to wait for von Mecklenburg to arrive. Other than a perfect storm of letters from Riga demanding his surrender to a local canonical court he didn't need to do much. Brash, infuriated younger knights and their retainers took it upon themselves to keep von Schwann busy through the winter.

In April 1463 Komtur von Mecklenburg, the rightful lord of Riga, arrived from Constantinople with 5,000 men. On the voyage home he'd mulled over how to voice his strenuous objection to the election, but he put aside all rancor upon word that someone wanted to usurp his title. He marched on 'Archbishop' von Schawnn who gathered his own army to repel the 'invasion.'

Von Mecklenburg brought more cavalry to the battle than von Schawnn's entire army. He outnumbered the rebels nearly 2:1 and shattered their line within the first hour. 'Archbishop' von Schwann retreated into the city only to be captured by burghers eager to escape retribution. One week later executioners drew and quartered him. Komtur von Mecklenburg sent the body parts to Vilnius as a gift since he suspected they supplied weapons and supplies to the enemy.

While Lithuania's role in Riga is open to debate, none doubted Muscovite spies helped spark anti-Catholic sentiment in Novgorod. Rioters under Feofilakt Biblikoff seized the Kremlin on May 17 and tried to assassinate von Erlichshausen. Battles erupted in the streets of the beleaguered city as the Order put down the riot by force. After three days of fighting which nearly destroyed the city's trading market as well as one Catholic and two Orthodox churches the Teutons prevailed. They lost 1,800 killed or wounded, while the zealots lost 4,000 before fleeing the city.

Responding to their failure to liberate Novgorod, the Muscovite regencts sent a stern warning to the Order against future treachery.

Muscovite Letter to the Grossgebetiger said:
...and know that, even should your mission prevail (in converting Novgorod), all you will ensure is that the streets run red with the blood of traitors (to Orthodoxy.)

Von Holstein responded by ordering von Mecklenburg to march into Ingria. This put the entire standing army of the Ordenstaadt on or near the Muscovite border. Once Novgorod converted, he reasoned, the path would be clear to subjugate Russia.

Wrong.


Neighborly Greetings

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Ladislav II, King of Bohemia and Holy Roman Emperor, had many reasons to punish the Teutons. Under Michael von Anhalt they'd abandoned the empire in all but name, vassalized Brandenburg, conquered Flanders and helped Austria seize valuable lands on their southern border. Put together these gravely weakened Bohemia's claim to the Imperial crown. He'd recovered somewhat in the eyes of the electorate in recent years, but needed the prestige an easy victory could bring to restore his reputation through the Empire. He could rely on the Lithuanian regents who didn't need an excuse to weaken the Order. Cologne went along as well, while Brandenburg, Pskov and Ingria joined the defense.

The Emperor had every reason to be confident. With Lithuanian support they could mass some sixty thousand soldiers to the Teuton twenty, and those twenty were based on the Muscovite border. He ordered 25,000 men in two armies to seize Danzig and the capital of Marienburg, while a third army moved into the Neumark to break the Brandenburgers.

Hochmeister von Holstein chose a 'Bohemia first' strategy. He reasoned that since the Order couldn't realistically defeat both of their neighbors, he'd focus on defeating each in detail. He also believed his place, as well as that of the Grossgebetiger, was in Marienburg leading the defense. Since his enemies lacked a navy he could safely leave one galley in port at Konigsberg in case they had to retreat. He sent the rest to the Gulf of Finland to pick up von Campenhausen and von Mecklenburg's fifteen thousand men, while Adam von Erlichshausen invaded Lithuania at Kholm.

In the early days of this latest round of war the only ones to suffer were merchants and traders with operations in both realms. Burghers complained bitterly as the respective armies first turned back their wagons, then seized them outright for the war effort. (Dueling Trade Embargos.) Ulaszlo of Hungary didn't love the Order more than anyone else, but he saw them as a necessary counterweight to the powerful Bohemian/Lithuanian alliance and paid rogues well to smuggle supplies to the beleaguered knighthood. (War subsidies)

By September the Teuton army, reinforced to 23,000 by a vast host of mercenaries gathered in Memel. Hochmeister von Holstein left the relative safety of Marienburg to rendezvous with his army. This proved wise as his generals argued bitterly over who should lead the relief effort. Though nominally in command, von Holstein listened to their advice as the largest host in Teuton history pushed towards the capital.

On October 4 the two armies met five miles east of Konigsberg on a low flatland dotted with copses of pine trees, The Teutons split into three wings with von Holstein on the vanguard and von Campenhausen in the middle.

In 1464 the Teuton army itself was more or less uniform, with sword and crossbow armed infantry wearing breastplates supporting heavy cavalry. Mercenaries added longbowmen and raiding light cavalry from the Anglo-French wars as well as a Swedish axe-wielding regiment which wouldn't have been too far out of place with their Viking ancestors.

Similarly the core of the Bohemian army consisted of sword-and-crossbowmen as well as heavy cavalry, but Imperial auxiliaries added their own flavor. Veterans from German/Italian skirmishes added spear and pikemen to the fray, while several Lithuanian horse companies relied on lighter armor and sabres.

The Teutons held a 3-2 advantage on their enemies and an almost 4-1 advantage in cavalry. It didn't take long to secure the army's flanks while raiders pierced the Bohemian line and attacked their reserve. The infantry collided along a mile-long front and the borders of each wing quickly vanished closely followed by any organization whatsoever. The Teuton left, consisting of the army's least experienced troops, buckled before the Bohemian vanguard. This didn't last long as closely packed Teuton knights slammed into their flank. On the other end of the field, von Holstein's 'wing' needed no help breaking up the Imperial contingent as pikemen met their match against swordsmen willing to press close.

Around sunset the Bohemians retired towards the border leaving nine thousand behind while the Order suffered four thousand wounded or killed. Over the next two months von Campenhausen pursued and annihilated them while the Hochmeister stayed behind.

It was here, in the winter of 1464, that the war took an ugly turn. Rittermeister von Campenhausen made it his business to study warfare and reached the bloody conclusion that a nation with no soldiers couldn't fight. He drew lessons from a half dozen decisive battles including Tannenberg and simply stopped taking prisoners. Several thousand Bohemians who might otherwise have survived met with God and soon the grieving, furious Imperial army matched their tactics. (My strategy in the war was to defeat, then chase around and annihilate their death stacks. As you'll see it didn't do much for my warscore, but seeing Bohemia bled dry did give me a certain savage satisfaction.)

During this first third or so of the war it looked like the Teutons might prevail. Not only did the Emperor lose a valuable army, but his rash declaration of war apparently surprised the Lithuanians who didn't cross the border until October. Finally, in December the Danes and Norwegians took advantage of Imperial weakness and attacked the Hanseatic League incurring the wrath of all of northern Germany, Bavaria and the Emperor. Christoffer III personally led an army into Berlin to defeat the Bohemian force ordered to subjugate Brandenburg.

The tide turned in January when Cologne backed patriots declared an independent Estonia and sieged Reval. Lithuanian Arturos Gostautas, their most experienced general, arrived in Kholm days later to crush von Erlichshausen's army before moving on Pskov. A single regiment returned to Marienburg to once more cut off the capital.

On February 11, von Campenhausen gathered his army from its destructive raids and descended on Danzig. Losses and splitting his army lowered the Teuton army to some thirteen thousand against ten thousand Bohemian siegers. This battle wound up being much closer, for von Campenhausen lost his cavalry advantage while ice and snow conspired to make any tactic beyond a frontal assault impossible. The ensuing battle offered little in the way of quarter or mercy and both sides left over three thousand men on the crimson, slick fields. Once more the Teutons pursued the retreating army. Once more over the course of months von Campenhausen destroyed them.


Lithuania Wakes Up

While Rittermeister von Campenhausen was busy earning his new nickname of 'Butcher,' the Lithuanians advanced through the sparsely defended east with ease. Wenden fell in March, while a cover force arrived at Allenstein in Warmia. Von Erlichshausen made a final stand outside the gates of Pskov but saw his army evaporate under him. A soldier's broadsword failed to breach his armor, but was still wielded with enough force to stave in several ribs and he spent the rest of the war healing in the Rus city.

While they threatened to overwhelm the east, however, the Prussian majority appreciated their masters' stubborn defense of the 'real' homeland west of Riga.

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In April, von Holstein felt safe in ordering his remaining commanders to switch tactics and occupy Bohemia to win a favorable peace before Lithuania forced the Order to the table. Von Mecklenburg led a detachment to liberate Allenstein then siege Warsaw. He overreached, however, trusting that the Bohemian army was no more. That much was true (more or less), but Gostautas left Pskov in good hands, rushed west with twelve thousand fresh levees and crushed him.

Von Campenhausen meanwhile learned of a fresh Bohemian army still active in the Brandenburger Neumark. The ducal army swelled his army to fourteen thousand where he met seventeen thousand Bohemians. With Brandenburg's help the Teutons regained an overwhelming cavalry edge and inflicted over ten thousand casualties before they retreated on April 23. Once more he pursued, killing five thousand more Bohemians before forced to retreat before Gostautas.

In July Pskov fell to the Lithuanians, while Bohemian nobles rose up and destroyed the rest of von Mecklenburg's army at Sieradz. Von Holstein called for more mercenaries, but Gostautas learned of his plans and advanced on Marienburg.

On September 23, von Holstein's new mercenaries crushed the token force sieging the capital.

On September 26, Gostautas arrived and annihilated the mercenary force.

In October Livonia fell to the Lithuanians. Riga followed in November.

Negotiators met with Ladislav in December to discuss terms. For his part, the Bohemian was eager for peace. His alliance with Lithuania - a very fruitful alliance thus far - was based entirely on the idea that the two nations remained roughly balanced in terms of power. Neither wanted to be junior to the other. Now, however, Ladislav lost most of his army while his 'friends' would soon be able to force a favorable peace. (I have a house rule: If the AI offers me a deal which is 'better than I can expect,' I must accept. I was at about -17 warscore at this point.)

On Christmas Day, Grosskomtur Isidor von Keyserling signed the Treaty of Prague. The terms, driven by desperation on both sides, amounted to a Teuton admission of wrong doing. The Order formally disavowed von Anhalt's desire to leave the Empire and confirmed their obligations to the Emperor dictated by the Golden Bull of Rimini.

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In short, over sixty thousand men (not including non-combatants) died...for an apology.
 

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The "apology" kind of brings the futility of the Seven Years War in mind, sadly. Oustanding update this was. Once again, you've made all decisions and events blend seamlessly into the wider context.

Though it seems the Order needs a Saviour figure which will finally crack the Bohemian-Lithuanian bond. Or a master diplomat to surround them with powerful allies. Or both.
 

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Great update! While reading it I kept thinking that any minute now the Order will force Bohemia into submission and gain a much needed province or two. The annihilation of three death stacks really made the victory seem close. Alas, Bohemia got off easy.

I really hope that von Holstein will be able to defeat Lithuania, though I worry that destroying their army will be much more difficult, considering how much Teuton blood was already shed in Bohemia.

Nevertheless, von Holstein began his wars with much more success than his predecessors and was able to hold his own against two major enemies. I see a bright future for him!
 

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Too bad Bohemia didn't get what it deserved. Hopefully your decimation of their army will allow the Danes to give them a bloody nose.

Is the 5 years of peace enough time to attack Muscovy before the truce runs out?
 

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Useless war with no gains at all for both sides, but I guess that was quite common those days. It would be nice to see you gain something again though.
 

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Unlike other posters, I think that war was a good proving ground. As Emperor, Bohemia gets manpower bonuses that make it hard for other states to live with them. The Knights did. True you had to leave the Ordenstaat open to Lithuania to do so, but Bohemia lost a lot more than you. Bohemia ought to be having second thoughts about attacking the Knights in future.

You haven't the infamy to spare to take land off Bohemia right now. Annexing Pskov and Ingria has to take priority and then converting those territories and Novgorod and then making the citizens good Germans or Prussians. Yes, it is boring as compared with flashy crusades, though the future of the Order does depend on its compact Teutonicness. I liked how the populace thought victory was assured no matter what the marauding Lithuanian bandits were doing.
 

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Unlike other posters, I think that war was a good proving ground. As Emperor, Bohemia gets manpower bonuses that make it hard for other states to live with them. The Knights did. True you had to leave the Ordenstaat open to Lithuania to do so, but Bohemia lost a lot more than you. Bohemia ought to be having second thoughts about attacking the Knights in future.

You haven't the infamy to spare to take land off Bohemia right now. Annexing Pskov and Ingria has to take priority and then converting those territories and Novgorod and then making the citizens good Germans or Prussians. Yes, it is boring as compared with flashy crusades, though the future of the Order does depend on its compact Teutonicness. I liked how the populace thought victory was assured no matter what the marauding Lithuanian bandits were doing.

Seconded. Plus, after a bloodletting like that, if there's no Army Tradition buildup, I'll eat a pothelm. If you really want to deal with the Muscovite Problem, there are probably half-a-dozen men who can be trusted with armies out of that war.
 

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One day, the Order is going to win a major war. So close, and yet... still seems to be the watchword, though, so I reckon von Holstein's strategy is the right one. Build up the Order's strength, bring the Russian lands firmly under control, hope the Bohemia/Lithuania alliance breaks up and one day...

Von Keyserling's political maneuverings were cool. Does he see himself as the power behind the throne? If so, what does von Holstein think about it?
 

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Good thing von Holstein became grandmaster. And the war could have been much worse for the Teutonic side, I did not expect Bohemia to attack you. Will they try again in the future?

The picture with the people feel safe event cracked me up! :rofl: